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Post by root_axis »

jquery wrote: post #202
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #172

Here we are, deep down in the dystopia of Automatic Content Classification by robots. Far less important of an example, but I was just put in "Facebook jail" for 24 hours for posting a picture of my son at the beach in his bathing suit with no shirt. Y'know, as one does at the beach. I can only assume it's because my son has long hair and the Convolutional Neural Network or whatever decided he was a girl and therefor…

We don’t just need human moderation, we need due process. These companies control too much of our digital lives and make so much money from us, but have zero regard for us as soon as it’s inconvenient to investigate a case, because that would cut into their insane margins. I was permabanned for Twitter recently merely for getting the attention of some large influencers who disagreed with me (no actual rule was broken…

They only control what we voluntarily give them. Social media controls nothing of importance in my life.

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Post by classified »

cies wrote: post #215
BrainVirus wrote: post #189

This is not an exception. This is the norm. All major social media platforms operate under the assumption that it's better to ban 100 innocent people than to let one "bad" person publish something. The scale of censorship is ming-boggling. The scale of denial and ignorance about censorship on HN is even more astounding. The big lie of online censorship is that controversial cases where most people think the person "d…

> All major social media platforms operate under the assumption that it's better to ban 100 innocent people than to let one "bad" person publish something. Unless they pay for their publications (aka ads), in that case FB has a history of letting the most horrible shit slip "regrettably through their screening team". Bollocks.

Did you even read TFA? This is about payed advertising for the film on FB.

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Post by saurik »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #213
saurik wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are only using Facebook for its original purpose of keeping up with old friends and family, then it doesn't actually have the scaling problem: if one of your friends or someone in your family starts posting a ton of racist bullshit you either confront them about it or drop them as a friend (preferably bilaterally), and either result is actually better for society than having Facebook attempt to present a skewe…

And yet here I was, posting a picture of my kids at the beach so my mom and friends could see them, and I ended up banned from participating on Facebook for 24 hours and accused of violating community decency. They're f*cked.

Yeah... so I honestly consider this to be a separate (also horrible, for avoidance of doubt) problem than "moderation"? Like, Apple and Google aren't exactly having a moderation problem when it comes to attempts to curtail CSAM stored on their photos platforms (which has led to their automated flagging systems and then need to scale to the entire world of users appeals and escalation, and then the subsequent concern about "are they going to call the police on me when I fail my appeal?!")... it is more of an attempt to deal with awkward regulatory "think of the children" overreach and hostile American law enforcement. Facebook seems to me to be doing the same thing here and failing.

Imagine a world where social networks were built by people who simply didn't care about "engagement" at all and weren't being motivated by ad revenue... I think you could design an end-to-end encrypted version of the system where no-one except your friends--and certainly not the network operators--even knew what you were posting in the first place and they would hopefully be able to avoid installing client-side filters for CSAM (but, with stuff like FOSTA and SESTA, maybe not?). This model should even work, I'd think, for Twitter/Instagram-like broadcast models (though the legal implications of the well-known "secret" key being published and accessible to the network might lead to various problems; you might have to go fully-decentralized).

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Post by cauefcr »

20amxn20 wrote: post #210
darthrupert wrote: post #6

Recently Farcebook has started recommending incredibly toxic anti-SJW shit to me for no apparent reason. Either they turned the "let's incite toxicity" knob to 11 or somebody is seriously abusing them.

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Ah yes, the toxicity of "let people be themselves in peace".

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Post by BlargMcLarg »

root_axis wrote: post #221
jquery wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don’t just need human moderation, we need due process. These companies control too much of our digital lives and make so much money from us, but have zero regard for us as soon as it’s inconvenient to investigate a case, because that would cut into their insane margins. I was permabanned for Twitter recently merely for getting the attention of some large influencers who disagreed with me (no actual rule was broken…

They only control what we voluntarily give them. Social media controls nothing of importance in my life.

Emphasis 'we', not 'my'. These guys are already making shadow profiles out of info given by friends, corporations, etc. Not participating is also causing red flags in certain circles. Withstanding peer pressure is one thing, having your identity made up or flagged out of your control is another.

This is a slippery slope that should be tackled before it gets to that. The only people not affected indirectly, are the people who will die without children or younger cohorts as friends.

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Post by dogleash »

SamBam wrote: post #182
mjburgess wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ghostbuster's 2016's supposed "anti-feminism " campaign is an example of this. It's very common and has been forever, since at least newspapers.

Is there evidence that the misogyny was faked by the movie industry? Or are we just assuming that all such reactions (e.g. the anti-black Ariel folks) are faked to generate support?

> are faked to generate support?

No need to fake it. Just skew your presentation of reality to fit your narrative.

https://youtu.be/UWROBiX1eSc?t=193

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Post by end_of_line »

lurquer wrote: post #216
philwelch wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anything you’re understating the problem. The problem with “Jews destroyed German economy before the war” is that it’s extremely vague and difficult to verify. There’s no good basis for the claim, but it’s not even a historical detail that could be easily verified; it’s more of an overarching theoretical opinion. As for “Jews were murdered by Germans during the war”, sure. That’s an extremely well documented fact.…

>> As for “Jews were murdered by Germans during the war”, sure. That’s an extremely well documented fact. It’s sad that you’re blind to the fact that that statement is just as ‘racist’ and untrue as the original. Jews were not murdered by Germans. Rather, Some Jews were murderer by Some members of a political party that was primarily — but not exclusively — German. The overwhelming majority of Germans never murdered…

Surely, nobody in Dachau knew what what have been happening in one of the very first nearby concentration camp on the daily basis. It originated few years before the second world war. Buchenwald, matthausen, gross rosen ( typical work camp but not less lethal than the concentration camp - it was German before 2 world War), all German, on the German soil constructed by the German people

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Post by matrix_overload »

BrainVirus wrote: post #189

This is not an exception. This is the norm. All major social media platforms operate under the assumption that it's better to ban 100 innocent people than to let one "bad" person publish something. The scale of censorship is ming-boggling. The scale of denial and ignorance about censorship on HN is even more astounding. The big lie of online censorship is that controversial cases where most people think the person "d…

The platforms do it because of armies of miserable people online looking for an outlet to their outrage.

So the platforms are stuck trying to appease the angry mob, while spending as little resources on it as possible (hence, shitty algorithms).

And I think I even know where the mob came from. Humans apparently have an intrinsic need to have some goals to be passionate about. And since the "economies of scale" have optimized away individual decision-making as outlets for passion, we see a surge of the good-old tribal instincts.

Cancel culture is certainly a progress from stabbing and eating the members of the competing tribe, it is still a manifestation of the same kind of instinct that will bring nothing good until people find (or, likely, create) a bigger problem to worry about.

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