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Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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The problem is that no automatic method we have now will catch context. There is a difference between "Jews were murdered by Germans during war" and "Jews destroyed German economy before the war" that will not be recognized by any machine we have nowadays. The first is true, the second is bullshit, how algorithm can now this? More, even if Facebook employees humans to do moderation still for some contractor from Asia…

Furthermore, you can publish "The effects of the Jewish population on the 1930s German economy" which can be either a genuine bona-fide analysis, or something which essentially boils down to "Jews destroyed German economy before the war". I think the "reddit model" where you have smaller communities with community mods works much better than the Facebook or Twitter model where there's one "global community". Not that…

Reddit has a very bad antisemitism problem. It's a cesspool.

By no means is reddit 'the model'. In practically any sub except the explicitly Jewish ones, I will find an avalanche of antisemitism on any post that touches on Judaism/Israel/Jews.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Here we are, deep down in the dystopia of Automatic Content Classification by robots.

Far less important of an example, but I was just put in "Facebook jail" for 24 hours for posting a picture of my son at the beach in his bathing suit with no shirt. Y'know, as one does at the beach. I can only assume it's because my son has long hair and the Convolutional Neural Network or whatever decided he was a girl and therefore I'm a pervert.

Sadly it was the "appeal" I submitted that got me blocked. Presumably by a "human", but who knows.

Before I appealed they were simply going to not show the picture. Appealing got me in "trouble." That might be even worse than the original misclassification. On top of that, if I was actually a "community standards" violator who posted potential child exploitation imagery, I'm not sure how a 24-hour ban on activity on Facebook is of any use, either? Except I'm terrified to imagine a world where Meta might have called police on me based on the output of a neural network image classification.

Others have said but I'll say it again: This kind of business doesn't scale ethically. You can't have billions of people on a bulletin board. It doesn't work. Moderation is essential to modern communication. But you can't do moderation automatically or at scale and in a universal way.

Very dark patterns emerge the moment you go FAANG scale and toss algorithms tuning for advertising and "engagement" into the mix, and attempt to do so with the help of computers.

"Sad" as it is, we will need to "retreat" back into smaller forums and BBSs where communities self-police.

Facebook has infiltrated so many aspects of society. Want to interact with the parents from the local school your kids go to? You have to do that on Facebook. Event announcements? Keeping in touch with your distant aunt? Facebook.

If something like Facebook is really a universal utility, it will have to be put under public administration; like the post office. But clearly, that isn't going to happen and would have other problems.

I am going to have to find some other way to engage with old friends and family.

Frank Herbert had some intuition with his whole "Butlerian Jihad" thing.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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The reason is the movie being titled "Beautiful Blue Eyes", we live in a time of pure insanity.

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German here. Not entirely sure what your comment is trying to convey. Germany doesn’t have that much of a free-speech history, at least compared to the US. So the fact that publicly denying or trivializing the holocaust has been illegal (since 1949, I figure) is not seen as dystopian at all. On the contrary, the ban is even widely accepted, and perceived as a good thing.

Mind clarifying a bit as to what exactly you’re criticizing?

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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post #34

The problem is that no automatic method we have now will catch context. There is a difference between "Jews were murdered by Germans during war" and "Jews destroyed German economy before the war" that will not be recognized by any machine we have nowadays. The first is true, the second is bullshit, how algorithm can now this? More, even if Facebook employees humans to do moderation still for some contractor from Asia…

Easy: stop moderating. Just allow everything.

"Crime sure is hard to stop."

"Well, just make everything legal."

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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post #34

The problem is that no automatic method we have now will catch context. There is a difference between "Jews were murdered by Germans during war" and "Jews destroyed German economy before the war" that will not be recognized by any machine we have nowadays. The first is true, the second is bullshit, how algorithm can now this? More, even if Facebook employees humans to do moderation still for some contractor from Asia…

You are presupposing that for some reason Facebook must do this. If they can not moderate then their service is defective. The fact that they want to make huge gobs of money does not “force” them to offer a defective service, they can just not offer it.

If a construction company said: “The only projects we can make a profit on are skyscrapers, but we do not know how to make a skyscraper without having it fall down and kill everybody in it.” They are not allowed to build skyscrapers no matter how important it is to their bottom line.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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This will get overturned shortly due to press attention.

Which, sadly, is the only way large scale network moderation can work.

Get it "mostly" right, but often wrong.

In most of the cases you get it wrong, only a few people will notice. You'll never hear about it.

Occasionally, you'll get it so wrong a lot of people notice and you will hear about it. Then you can fix it.

Rinse and repeat.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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I mean, that is also the first thought I had when I read the title, even before delving into the article. If instead of "beautiful blue eyes" it was "silky smooth pale white skin", would it then be different? For once I think Facebook is right. Poor choice of a film title, that, especially considering the theme of the film.

I assume the title is making a deliberate point.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironic ? per the article : "the film’s title, which refers to the eye color of a child who perished at the hands of the Nazis and invokes a key scene in the movie"

That doesn't mean it's not ironic. It strains belief to suggest that the film makers weren't aware of Hitler's belief that being blond and blue-eyed was a mark of the "superior" Aryan race

Seems to me that the author was just propagating "the blue eyes are so beautiful" sort of white standard of beauty, probably not intentionally, and it would be a minor thing, except in this case it just does not fit, imho, given the topic.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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post #156

My ad account got randomly shut down a few days ago too. Was reapproved after review but never was I given a reason. I hate that big companies can get away with this.

I sympathize with your frustration. I do wonder though... a lot of the ability for these companies to even exist at this scale is because they use a small amount of ppl in the loop. So was it worth it to let these behemoths prosper so we can get these services for a low price, but suffer these sort of consequences?

It's not worth it and there needs to be a real alternative. Unfortunately at the scale things have gotten to, it might take regulatory action. Because the market is not going to be able to compete here.
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