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Stanley Druckenmiller warns the stock market will be ‘flat’ for an entire decade

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Re: Stanley Druckenmiller warns the stock market will be ‘flat’ for an entire decade

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And Michael Burry has been predicting crashes every few years since the 2008 one. And Bill Ackman predicted 'hell is coming' at the onset of the pandemic and made $2B [0]. And there were US Senators that also did possibly illegal things to pull money out of the market before the public knew about the pandemic. Outside of disclosures filed with the SEC, stock trading is anonymous yet they will have all sorts of headli…

>So all players in the market are just selling everything across the market to the tune of -1.4% because FedEx is having issues? FedEx's issues is that their volume is down massively. High (nay, accelerating) rates of trade are the foundation of the modern economy. If trade starts to slow down, or, Lord forbid, decline , then yes that can have massive negative repercussions.

Based on the last few years of my (and a relatively wide friend circle) experiences with FedEx I wouldn't be surprised if they are just suffering from getting outcompeted by Amazon and others. If their internal logistics are as bad as what the customer-facing experience would lead me to believe, I worry for their future.

Edit: completely subjective and armchair-quarterback-like opinion, of course.

Re: Stanley Druckenmiller warns the stock market will be ‘flat’ for an entire decade

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And Michael Burry has been predicting crashes every few years since the 2008 one. And Bill Ackman predicted 'hell is coming' at the onset of the pandemic and made $2B [0]. And there were US Senators that also did possibly illegal things to pull money out of the market before the public knew about the pandemic. Outside of disclosures filed with the SEC, stock trading is anonymous yet they will have all sorts of headli…

>So all players in the market are just selling everything across the market to the tune of -1.4% because FedEx is having issues? FedEx's issues is that their volume is down massively. High (nay, accelerating) rates of trade are the foundation of the modern economy. If trade starts to slow down, or, Lord forbid, decline , then yes that can have massive negative repercussions.

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Re: Stanley Druckenmiller warns the stock market will be ‘flat’ for an entire decade

#93
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Very true. Plus this is nonsense. Interest rates are still far too low. There is wayyyyy too much money floating around in the system and global growth has slowed. That money will be chasing returns wherever they can find them and that has been the market and now real estate. Both of these will be net up over the next 10 years. It will be choppy for a few years as inflation is battled and interest rates rise a little…

Inflation adjusted won't that look rather flat or negative? Where are these real returns going to be coming from? Hot stocks haven't been paying appropriate dividends for the last two decades.

I wonder how much the end Moore's law is a part of this current slowdown. It would make sense to me that its impact would lag a while, and would eventually catch up.

Re: Stanley Druckenmiller warns the stock market will be ‘flat’ for an entire decade

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> Inflation isn't high any more. The CPI was 255.7 in 2019 and estimated to be 294.4 for 2022. That's a 15% increase in three years in an index that's acknowledged to somewhat under-report inflation. CPI could flatline (zero MoM) for the next two years and we would still be at 3% annual inflation over five years, which is above the Fed's target, in addition to all the asset inflation we've had that the CPI doesn't re…

>That's a 15% increase in three years Which means it's high over the last three years. It doesn't mean it's high today.

Don't forget the impact of COVID measures, which had a huge once-in-a-lifetime effect that is now going away.

Re: Stanley Druckenmiller warns the stock market will be ‘flat’ for an entire decade

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I read a lot of these type of predictions, often you see some people say it's a great time to buy, and others it's a bad time to buy, and generally you will only remember the people who guessed correctly, so none of this helps you today at all. Every time those people who got lucky will appear in some future ad or article making a new prediction, and generally fewer will be lucky twice. In the long run, everyone is l…

Your comment makes me realize that in the medium term, after most of the unlucky predictors drop off, you are statistically likely to be left with a few really lucky ones (i.e. if a thousand people are tossing coins, you're likely to get one guy with a streak of 10 heads), and these individuals are perfect to put on pedestals as rare and brilliant talents.

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Re: Stanley Druckenmiller warns the stock market will be ‘flat’ for an entire decade

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> “There’s a high probability in my mind that the market, at best, is going to be kind of flat for 10 years, sort of like this ’66 to ’82 time period,” he said in an interview with Alex Karp, CEO of software and A.I. firm Palantir. Adjusting for inflation, the stock market was not "flat" during this period [0]. The DJIA, for example, closed at an effective price of 9,160.41 in January 1966 and closed at an effective…

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Re: Stanley Druckenmiller warns the stock market will be ‘flat’ for an entire decade

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I read a lot of these type of predictions, often you see some people say it's a great time to buy, and others it's a bad time to buy, and generally you will only remember the people who guessed correctly, so none of this helps you today at all. Every time those people who got lucky will appear in some future ad or article making a new prediction, and generally fewer will be lucky twice. In the long run, everyone is l…

Your comment makes me realize that in the medium term, after most of the unlucky predictors drop off, you are statistically likely to be left with a few really lucky ones (i.e. if a thousand people are tossing coins, you're likely to get one guy with a streak of 10 heads), and these individuals are perfect to put on pedestals as rare and brilliant talents.

What you do is look at the rationale that was given before it happened. You look at their reasoning and figure out if it was actually what happened in reality. Just make sure you are not picking up on their rationalisation after the fact.

Re: Stanley Druckenmiller warns the stock market will be ‘flat’ for an entire decade

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And Michael Burry has been predicting crashes every few years since the 2008 one. And Bill Ackman predicted 'hell is coming' at the onset of the pandemic and made $2B [0]. And there were US Senators that also did possibly illegal things to pull money out of the market before the public knew about the pandemic. Outside of disclosures filed with the SEC, stock trading is anonymous yet they will have all sorts of headli…

As the old joke goes: Burry predicted 20 of the last two crashes.

Burry is doing a lot of pretty short term speculation, according to his filings. What is a crash for a short term investor might be a bump for a long term one.

Re: Stanley Druckenmiller warns the stock market will be ‘flat’ for an entire decade

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For those who don't know, Druckenmiller is also very well known for changing his mind the minute facts change which is one of the hallmarks of good trading.

This is the best comment in all. HN folks don't understand the purpose of this article. You think Druckenmiller is so bearish? for the next 30 yrs? Not a chance. He must have a huge short position on the S&P500, and he likes you to sell your stocks so he could cover at a lower level.

Re: Stanley Druckenmiller warns the stock market will be ‘flat’ for an entire decade

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With dividends reinvested you get -25.096%, https://dqydj.com/dow-jones-return-calculator/ . S&P 500 is -3.745%.

So one of the worst long-term periods in history - the S&P was still ~50% better than cash. What else is a passive investor gonna do?

Grow some balls and start a business?
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