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Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by uwagar »

simonh wrote: post #150
OrvalWintermute wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. We call it science the process/method, rather than science the religion. > The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinfor…

> I'll keep that in mind next time I am censored. When were you censored? I mean actually censored. Bearing in mind that being ignored, or the owners of publishing systems choosing not to cooperate with you in propagating your opinions on platforms they own or operate, is editorialising and not censorship.

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by OrvalWintermute »

dekhn wrote: post #43
sjckciodjcr wrote: post #31

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For a significant time, the vaccine showed strong evidence of reducing hospitalization and fatality rates, esp for at risk populations. Did that change? I thought the main thing that changed was it stopped being effective at reducing transmission.

As the variant distibution changed, nearly all benefits of vaccines disappeared. These facts are slowly trickling into the larger public knowledge, but it's been well understood within the medical research community for a while now.

I asked my mother why she got vaccinated and boosted, despite knowing that the vaccines were for a legacy variant from like 2 years ago.

"I wanted to travel and go on my trip".

SMH.

They forced our parents to get these legacy vaccines for a variant that hasn't been seen in a year, and held Juicy cruises over their heads.

Next, there will be a vaccine requirement to play Bingo!

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by bpye »

purpleblue wrote: post #102
Gibbon1 wrote: post #72

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Because it infects cells with the ACE2 receptor covid is never going to be the new influenza. It's going to kill 100-200,000 people a year in the US indefinitely.

Covid IFR is below the flu now, after everyone has become vaccinated and after omicron swept through and infected most of the US.

Isn't it still more contagious though? IFR is only half the equation of total fatalities...

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by eesmith »

emptysongglass wrote: post #142
eesmith wrote: post #134

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Addressed in the Q&A section of the page: > Why are people aged under 50 not to be re-vaccinated? > The purpose of the vaccination programme is to prevent severe illness, hospitalisation and death. Therefore, people at the highest risk of becoming severely ill will be offered booster vaccination. The purpose of vaccination is not to prevent infection with covid-19, and people aged under 50 are therefore currently not…

But all of this sounds like spin on why the health ministry doesn't want to spare the expense on general vaccination of all members of the population or else why generally vaccinate the population before? Even with third boosters we're seeing rapid mutations that break through so I'd assume gen pop would be in need of a fourth booster and fifth etc. to qualify for the protection to all members of society that general…

How is it "spin"? Public health is always intimately connected with questions of cost-effectiveness.

Denmark also doesn't offer free influenza vaccinations to all adults. https://www.sst.dk/en/English/News/2022/Autumn-vaccinations-...

> We recommend influenza vaccination for everyone aged 65 and over as well as for persons with certain chronic diseases, children aged between 2 and 6, pregnant women in the second and third trimesters and staff in the healthcare and elderly care sector and selected parts of the social services sector.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varicella_vaccine points out "Not all countries provide the [chickenpox] vaccine due to its cost."

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by FeepingCreature »

Barrin92 wrote: post #159
howinteresting wrote: post #144

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This is just plainly untrue. Doctors disagree all the time about medical questions.

that discourse is already reflected in the consensus on who to vaccinate which is presented to you on that site as far as Denmark goes. Doctors don't just wing it, they go by those very same research results. Doctors may disagree about individual cases of disease, they don't disagree at all about who to vaccinate, they follow guidelines.

"Oh, there's broad consensus because everybody follows the same document" looks worse, not better, than there being disagreement.

Broad consensus based on the merits > Internal disagreement > broad consensus based on "guidelines".

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by FeepingCreature »

simonh wrote: post #164
cat_plus_plus wrote: post #146

For the original vaccination series, we had substantial safety and effectiveness trials, despite being in the middle of a crisis where arguably people should have been allowed to take their chances. With each booster though the standards are dropping, including no real world effectiveness data for the latest bivalent booster. It seems to be down to "If something is good for you, more is better", but it doesn't always…

> arguably people should have been allowed to take their chances… I’m not aware of anyone being vaccinated by force. Of course the unvaccinated were excluded from social contact in various ways, but that’s just society protecting itself from them. If they still wanted to take the risks, they could and many did. That includes one of my Aunts. She caught Covid a few months ago and had a tough time but fortunately survi…

There was a year's worth of time where the booster could be produced but you could not get one if you wanted.

It's annoying that vaccination is only ever recommended or forbidden.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by raspberry1337 »

peter422 wrote: post #128
scoofy wrote: post #63

I listen to TWiV, and the prominent virologists there are suggesting that we don't actually know what to do. In some of the latest episodes, they discuss frankly the fact that yearly boosters may or may not actually have any meaningful impact for normal healthy folks. They get into the details of why we know annual influenza boosters are effective, and that we really don't know yet whether COVID boosters will have th…

I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

>So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreements with the party line

What about the people who were silenced about their negative vaccine reactions...[1]

orjournalists like Alex Berenson that were banned from twitter from talking about the data? The first journalist to win against twitter in court and get unbanned, ever [2]

[1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-vaccine-side...

[2] https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/08/alex-...

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by Dah00n »

emptysongglass wrote: post #142
eesmith wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Addressed in the Q&A section of the page: > Why are people aged under 50 not to be re-vaccinated? > The purpose of the vaccination programme is to prevent severe illness, hospitalisation and death. Therefore, people at the highest risk of becoming severely ill will be offered booster vaccination. The purpose of vaccination is not to prevent infection with covid-19, and people aged under 50 are therefore currently not…

But all of this sounds like spin on why the health ministry doesn't want to spare the expense on general vaccination of all members of the population or else why generally vaccinate the population before? Even with third boosters we're seeing rapid mutations that break through so I'd assume gen pop would be in need of a fourth booster and fifth etc. to qualify for the protection to all members of society that general…

I'm guessing you are not from Denmark as you read it in a completely different way than I do as a Dane.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by michaelmrose »

samuel wrote: post #166
peter422 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

There are several kinds of anti-vaxxers. It's easy to focus on the tinfoil hat kind but there are others that just kept an skeptic outlook and were equally by the ridiculized by media, when not directly accussed of being accomplices of homicide (I'm talking about Spain here, may be in other countries the situation was different). True experts' doubts just reinforce their positions instead of weakening them, IMO. For…

There actually really isn't any difference between the two groups. They differ only in how they articulate the same bad logic.

Vaccines became broadly available in relatively wealthy countries in 2021 wherein the only reasonable position would have been that vaccination of all groups would decrease net mortality even among those unlikely to die and reduce damage to people's bodies that we were already seeing even with mild infections of otherwise healthy people.

A reasonable analysis of a complex topic with an unknown number of unknown factors is ultimately going to have at least some support among smart people for niche positions.

Going with what your emotions proves you are intellectually incapable.

Picking out one smart person with an articulate position that matches your emotional position proves you are an intellectually incapable person who thinks they are smart.

Picking out a niche position and searching for a handful of smart people who support it because it makes you feel smart to be a contrarian makes you intellectually incapable AND smug.

I respect people with the aptitude and the niche knowledge to break new intellectual ground even if they turned out to be wrong. I do not respect the 1000 idiots following that one fellow into the brush who ignored all the other smart people going the other way and neither should you.

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