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Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by eesmith »

alkonaut wrote: post #113
neverrroot wrote: post #12

At the beginning they didn’t make it available to children (below 18) anymore. Then UK followed for the children since September 1’st. Now those unter 50 in DK. It’s getting interesting and looking more and more like science instead of The Science.

Sweden hasn’t vaccinated under 15 I believe even with a first dose and as far as I know there are no plans to either. The recommended number of total doses (2-5) is now simply depending on your age from 15-65.

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/the-public-health-agency...

> Vaccination is offered to all children from 12 years of age since COVID-19 can cause serious illness also in children. The vaccine used in Sweden, Comirnaty, is approved for use from 12 years of age. It provides a high level of protection against serious illness.

> Several EU countries are vaccinating children aged 12–15 years, including Denmark, Finland and Norway. So far, almost 20 million children worldwide have received vaccines. This means that the knowledge on vaccination of children against COVID-19 is much greater today.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by emptysongglass »

eesmith wrote: post #134
emptysongglass wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still, why stop offering boosters for your population? Most Danes I knew were dutifully getting their boosters when called in by the health authorities. This sets a bad precedent.

Addressed in the Q&A section of the page: > Why are people aged under 50 not to be re-vaccinated? > The purpose of the vaccination programme is to prevent severe illness, hospitalisation and death. Therefore, people at the highest risk of becoming severely ill will be offered booster vaccination. The purpose of vaccination is not to prevent infection with covid-19, and people aged under 50 are therefore currently not…

But all of this sounds like spin on why the health ministry doesn't want to spare the expense on general vaccination of all members of the population or else why generally vaccinate the population before? Even with third boosters we're seeing rapid mutations that break through so I'd assume gen pop would be in need of a fourth booster and fifth etc. to qualify for the protection to all members of society that general vaccination affords.

This reads like obvious flip flopping that's a primarily economic decision.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by OrvalWintermute »

peter422 wrote: post #128
scoofy wrote: post #63

I listen to TWiV, and the prominent virologists there are suggesting that we don't actually know what to do. In some of the latest episodes, they discuss frankly the fact that yearly boosters may or may not actually have any meaningful impact for normal healthy folks. They get into the details of why we know annual influenza boosters are effective, and that we really don't know yet whether COVID boosters will have th…

I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

> I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV.

We call it science the process/method, rather than science the religion.

> The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are.

I'll keep that in mind next time I am censored.

> So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreements with the party line or you get cancelled and then these prominent experts at the top of their fields do it every week on TWiV and don't get cancelled (because they aren't full of shit).

Profanity aside, it sounds like you are touting controlled opposition, or, Establishment figures critiquing establishment positions.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by howinteresting »

Barrin92 wrote: post #114
DominikPeters wrote: post #45

It sounds like Danes over 50 can get a free vaccine, and those under are prohibited from getting one. Why can't we have a middle ground where young people can get a vaccine if they really want to (and e.g. pay for it themselves)? This mirrors the common thread in Covid policy where everything is either forbidden or compulsory.

because it's a scientific /public healthcare question whether the vaccine makes sense or not and in Denmark healthcare isn't a 'choose your own adventure' book. With medical questions there's not much middle ground. Either a treatment is indicated or not.

This is just plainly untrue. Doctors disagree all the time about medical questions.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by croes »

It's about the booster

"The purpose of the vaccination programme is to prevent severe illness, hospitalisation and death. Therefore, people at the highest risk of becoming severely ill will be offered booster vaccination. The purpose of vaccination is not to prevent infection with covid-19, and people aged under 50 are therefore currently not being offered booster vaccination.

People aged under 50 are generally not at particularly higher risk of becoming severely ill from covid-19. In addition, younger people aged under 50 are well protected against becoming severely ill from covid-19, as a very large number of them have already been vaccinated and have previously been infected with covid-19, and there is consequently good immunity among this part of the population."

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by cat_plus_plus »

For the original vaccination series, we had substantial safety and effectiveness trials, despite being in the middle of a crisis where arguably people should have been allowed to take their chances. With each booster though the standards are dropping, including no real world effectiveness data for the latest bivalent booster. It seems to be down to "If something is good for you, more is better", but it doesn't always work this way. So it's not crazy to limit the use of a second booster, putting aside the issue of government run healthcare vs individual right to try, which is not specific to the vaccines.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by fzeroracer »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #143
peter422 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

> I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. We call it science the process/method, rather than science the religion. > The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinfor…

How do we know you're not 'controlled opposition'? If you want to make the argument that the people in question are establishment figures, then doesn't the same argument fly for you as well? How do we know you're not some agent of some other establishment pushing their own agenda other than 'trust me I'm a real person'?

This line of debate leads nowhere other than a dead end where each side is convinced that the other is a spy. And considering your post history, I don't know if there's a reason to lend you much credence at all.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by aetherson »

nikolay wrote: post #123
rossdavidh wrote: post #10

Bit by bit, it is becoming the new influenza. Not saying we're there yet, but that's clearly where we're headed. Now, influenza kills lots of people; in 2018 over 60,000 people were killed by influenza in the USA alone. But we don't have border closing or "show your papers" or all the rest for influenza, and we're not going to.

Even with the "low" death numbers right now (averaging between 400 and 500 people a day), it is still times worse than the worst flu epidemic in recent decades! Nevertheless, they will not be that low in the months from October to March, so this would be 4-5 times the worst flu with an epidemic "under control"! However, what if the virus reinvents the high mortality of SARS or MERS combined with being the second most…

It's been sub-400 per day (average) since Sept 4th, using the CDC numbers.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by nikolay »

throwaway1777 wrote: post #129
nikolay wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even with the "low" death numbers right now (averaging between 400 and 500 people a day), it is still times worse than the worst flu epidemic in recent decades! Nevertheless, they will not be that low in the months from October to March, so this would be 4-5 times the worst flu with an epidemic "under control"! However, what if the virus reinvents the high mortality of SARS or MERS combined with being the second most…

4-5 times worse than flu is fine. If it mutates to be more deadly like sars we would obviously change strategies and need a new vaccine for that.

Not exactly - there's enough data that each infection accumulates damage. This is not the flu and you're not back to where you were before the COVID-19 episode.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by simonh »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #143
peter422 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

> I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. We call it science the process/method, rather than science the religion. > The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinfor…

> I'll keep that in mind next time I am censored.

When were you censored? I mean actually censored.

Bearing in mind that being ignored, or the owners of publishing systems choosing not to cooperate with you in propagating your opinions on platforms they own or operate, is editorialising and not censorship.

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