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Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by OrvalWintermute »

kcplate wrote: post #83
fabian2k wrote: post #41

The page isn't very clear on this, but it looks to me like these are the terms for the 4th booster program. So this does not necessarily say anything about initial vaccinations, but about who to boost this fall/winter. In terms of mortality, the boosters have a significant effect for the elderly. For younger people without serious risk factors the immunity seems to keep longer and mortality is very low after only two…

Mortality is very low for younger people with zero vaccinations as well.

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by kseistrup »

rossdavidh wrote: post #10

Bit by bit, it is becoming the new influenza. Not saying we're there yet, but that's clearly where we're headed. Now, influenza kills lots of people; in 2018 over 60,000 people were killed by influenza in the USA alone. But we don't have border closing or "show your papers" or all the rest for influenza, and we're not going to.

Hasn't the pandemic also taught us that we don't need to accept so many deaths by influenza? I mean, here in Denmark influenza almost vanished because we started using hand sanitizer and facemasks.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by OrvalWintermute »

croes wrote: post #145

It's about the booster "The purpose of the vaccination programme is to prevent severe illness, hospitalisation and death. Therefore, people at the highest risk of becoming severely ill will be offered booster vaccination. The purpose of vaccination is not to prevent infection with covid-19, and people aged under 50 are therefore currently not being offered booster vaccination. People aged under 50 are generally not a…

> People aged under 50 are generally not at particularly higher risk of becoming severely ill from covid-19. In addition, younger people aged under 50 are well protected against becoming severely ill from covid-19, as a very large number of them have already been vaccinated and have previously been infected with covid-19, and there is consequently good immunity among this part of the population."

Please say one in a million, because the fatality rate for Covid for young healthy folks with no comorbidities is extremely low.

Such a travesty that people were mandating vaccines with known adverse events for people at such a low, dare I say, negligible amount of risk.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by simonh »

cat_plus_plus wrote: post #146

For the original vaccination series, we had substantial safety and effectiveness trials, despite being in the middle of a crisis where arguably people should have been allowed to take their chances. With each booster though the standards are dropping, including no real world effectiveness data for the latest bivalent booster. It seems to be down to "If something is good for you, more is better", but it doesn't always…

> arguably people should have been allowed to take their chances…

I’m not aware of anyone being vaccinated by force. Of course the unvaccinated were excluded from social contact in various ways, but that’s just society protecting itself from them. If they still wanted to take the risks, they could and many did. That includes one of my Aunts. She caught Covid a few months ago and had a tough time but fortunately survived.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by samuel »

peter422 wrote: post #128
scoofy wrote: post #63

I listen to TWiV, and the prominent virologists there are suggesting that we don't actually know what to do. In some of the latest episodes, they discuss frankly the fact that yearly boosters may or may not actually have any meaningful impact for normal healthy folks. They get into the details of why we know annual influenza boosters are effective, and that we really don't know yet whether COVID boosters will have th…

I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

There are several kinds of anti-vaxxers. It's easy to focus on the tinfoil hat kind but there are others that just kept an skeptic outlook and were equally by the ridiculized by media, when not directly accussed of being accomplices of homicide (I'm talking about Spain here, may be in other countries the situation was different).

True experts' doubts just reinforce their positions instead of weakening them, IMO.

For the record, I have got 3 shots (2 Pfizer + 1 Moderna), and I don't regret it. But I respect people who chose differently because the unknowns about the vaccines.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by eloisant »

belltaco wrote: post #67
rossdavidh wrote: post #10

Bit by bit, it is becoming the new influenza. Not saying we're there yet, but that's clearly where we're headed. Now, influenza kills lots of people; in 2018 over 60,000 people were killed by influenza in the USA alone. But we don't have border closing or "show your papers" or all the rest for influenza, and we're not going to.

>But we don't have border closing or "show your papers" or all the rest for influenza, and we're not going to. We do have "show your papers" for influenza. For example: https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-b-chapter-...

So you can get a visa, a green card, and live many years in the US without any proof of vaccination, but if you want citizenship THEN you need a proof of vaccine?

That's weird.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by OrvalWintermute »

nope96 wrote: post #76
version_five wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really funny to see this kind of covid hero discussion where one accuses people who aren't ok with vaccine policies of being "conspiracy theorists" (ignoring the difference between disagreement with compelled vaccination and believing in some imagined conspiracy) and then getting a reply theorizing that there is a conspiracy amongst "adversaries of the west" that's driving disagreement with authoritarian vaccine…

"authoritarian vaccine policy", what are you talking about?

> "authoritarian vaccine policy", what are you talking about?

The class action lawsuits, and all the healthcare providers, primarily nurses, fired for refusing the vaccine.

All this weirdness around having to write cases for exemption, being tracked in a database, among other things.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by OrvalWintermute »

ribosometronome wrote: post #7
version_five wrote: post #4

Good for them for actually following science instead of the religion it had become. The problem of course is other countries that demand it, and no doubt will continue to demand Nth shots to appeal to their religious base, meaning people will who want to travel have to keep getting the shots anyway

Ah yes, the science.

the same science that told me a cloth bandana is better than nothing.

To think, I actually tried sleeping in a bulky P100 mask because the pandemic pr0n was crazy.

Just as crazy as me trying to sleep in a P100, which, I admit, was pretty crazy.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by uwagar »

stingraycharles wrote: post #140
peter422 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

In my experience, it’s usually not about finding out the actual facts / truth for these groups of people, but rather based mostly on emotion. I have an extremely hard time believing that letting them listen to TWiV would have any meaningful impact.

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