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Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children
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Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children
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I disagree. I think there is a lot of misinformation flooding the nets and the news, and this is provably true. Psychosis is a pretty obvious condition, and it was not difficult to observe psychosis thousands of years ago. Cannabis has been in wide global use since at least 8000BC, and yet... there just historically aren't enough crazy people for this to remotely pass the stiff test.
I've personally seen someone with bipolar disorder enter a months long psychotic episode after exposure to small amounts of THC. That is how I know it's a thing. It happens. I think psychotic illnesses are complex and there is no one cause. THC can be a factor. This is also what the Google results I linked you to said
Correlation is not causation. And even to suggest small amounts of THC can cause "a months long psychotic episode" is absurd, especially because it is an ordinary risk of being bipolar. If a mentally healthy individual was sent into a month's long psychotic episode immediately after smoking a bong, then maybe, and that is still a huge maybe.
Again, cannabis has been in use recreationally and medicinally for more than 10,000 years. There are billions of users on Earth today, but psychotic episode remains a vanishingly rare event among users, insignificantly so. The general scientific consensus still remains that weed is harmless. But these days conservatives have gone overboard in twisting the facts to promote their nanny state agenda. I expect that, given recent assaults on rights, pregnant women alone are going to remove them from Congress.
But by all means, please believe what you wish, just don't expect anyone else to support your fantastic beliefs.
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#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think there are any researchers saying marijuana is anything but beneficial. It's every day people. Same thing for psychedelics. There was a thread on LSD the other day and I had to point out twice that HPPD happens as a result, and is a disorder that can cause significant mental distress. Honestly I think it only does a disservice to the cause to make claims like that
Agreed, it is the general public propagating this. Just go onto Reddit and you’ll see it everywhere. For cannabis I find the attitude pretty scary, having been a daily user myself several times (including now) and dealing with the side effects. It does have negatives. I would hate for everyone to have to learn that the hard way or for them to misidentify the causes, though even those side effects are pretty mild - so…
I also go through phases of daily use. Quit for awhile, then dip back into it to I.e. deal with flu symptoms, special occasion, or when I really feel the need to disassociate from life’s stresses.
I won’t go so far as to say it’s addictive for everyone but it’s is incredibly addictive for me.
Daily symptoms include:
* wake up more tired
* wake up with mild morning sickness
* wake up a bit foggy
* higher tolerance to caffeine
* less general stamina
* memory a notch worse in general
* less energy for physical activities
* increased anxiety while sober
* slightly higher sense of paranoia/conspiracy
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Notably I consume only edibles and tinctures, which I think is the driving factor for the mild morning sickness.
Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children
#214Why are pregnant women smoking weed to begin with?
I asked a then-pregnant still-weed-smoking coworker of my fiancée about this, she said "it isn't that bad for the baby, at least compared to alcohol or meth", and another coworker (female, roughly same age) agreed that "meth and booze are really bad for pregnant women, but weed not so much". from the sound of things (this was on a car trip to a nearby Native American reservation where the then-pregnant girl's parents…
At least they’re not okay with meth and alcohol while pregnant… Or they never consume meth and use the ruse to normalize weed consumption. I my books nothing is worth risking for the baby’s health
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#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
>one of the bigger questions that always came up was whether it was safe to smoke while pregnant. The answer I always gave was that we just don't know, and so it should be avoided. The lack of research though meant that people couldn't make informed decisions, and the stereotype around cannabis being safe meant that people did not always err on the side of caution. My friend (a bit crazy) once told me he wondered the…
Pregnant women were included in the original safety studies (not by design, if you have 40k people some of them will become pregnant) and there were no safety signals. On the other hand we had pretty good information early on that being pregnant was a major risk factor in getting severe COVID.
That only tells you the safety of the mother and the obvious negative outcomes for the baby. When people ask is it safe they usually mean long term.
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#216Is this really surprising? Any time I had used cannabis I felt like my IQ dropped 20-30 points and I would lose hours of my day where it was difficult for me to learn. It made doing household chores not terrible, but brought out a lot of panic inducing moments and erratic behavior. I was thinking about a 100k other things while doing one thing. Later on I realized I wasn't even doing that one thing so well. Anything…
Sounds like you and I have similar reactions to marijuana. From “that smells great” to “I’m talking, but I can’t remember what I was going to say” in just three tokes. What I’ve come to understand though is that for many other people, marijuana makes them feel great - sharp, alert, at ease and in control. I can empathize with the idea that “this can’t be bad!” even while acknowledging you’d have to be very deluded to…
> What I’ve come to understand though is that for many other people, marijuana makes them feel great - sharp, alert, at ease and in control.
Many recreational drugs, including alcohol, make people feel that way. But not actually make them be that way.
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#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Frequent bronchitis (for people that smoke it) Yep breathing combustion products is pretty bad for you. > Risk of vehicle crashes I'm not aware of any proponents of driving while high. > Low pregnancy weight, preterm birth, NICU Again, who's advocating for pregnant women to consume cannabis? > Mental health (associated risk of schizophrenia, depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, Cannabis use disorder) I think thi…
> I'm not aware of any proponents of driving while high. > Again, who's advocating for pregnant women to consume cannabis? I thought the comment was making clear what was considered a risk, not what is being advocated? People certainly do drive while under the effects of cannabis, I've known a few. I don't know anyone who consumed it while pregnant but I'm sure they do exist. > I'm not sure anyone thinks you should s…
I think I mistook the intent of the original post.
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#218Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed, it is the general public propagating this. Just go onto Reddit and you’ll see it everywhere. For cannabis I find the attitude pretty scary, having been a daily user myself several times (including now) and dealing with the side effects. It does have negatives. I would hate for everyone to have to learn that the hard way or for them to misidentify the causes, though even those side effects are pretty mild - so…
I also go through phases of daily use. Quit for awhile, then dip back into it to I.e. deal with flu symptoms, special occasion, or when I really feel the need to disassociate from life’s stresses. I won’t go so far as to say it’s addictive for everyone but it’s is incredibly addictive for me . Daily symptoms include: * wake up more tired * wake up with mild morning sickness * wake up a bit foggy * higher tolerance to…
The morning sickness is called Cannabis Hyperemesis Syndrome(CHS). Well technically the symptoms may need to be more acute (vomiting), but I am pretty sure it’s the same mechanism and cause, just milder.
At my peak of consumption I also had it mildly with morning nausea. Though at the time I wasn’t using edibles or tinctures at all, almost exclusively oil cartridges.
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#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does the sperm donor drinking an alcoholic beverage after the sperm has been donated contribute to birth defects? News to me!
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I know that's what you got, and I'm wondering where you got it from. How does my wife buying me a beer increase the risks for birth defects for the fetus she carries?
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#220Is this really surprising? Any time I had used cannabis I felt like my IQ dropped 20-30 points and I would lose hours of my day where it was difficult for me to learn. It made doing household chores not terrible, but brought out a lot of panic inducing moments and erratic behavior. I was thinking about a 100k other things while doing one thing. Later on I realized I wasn't even doing that one thing so well. Anything…
Lots of productive people use cannabis.
But would lots of highly intelligent people avoid drugs during pregnancy thus skewing the sample of who has kids while using drugs?