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Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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I read this right after I got back from the marijuana store where a pregnant woman was buying weed. It made me uncomfortable. It just seems risky to me to take intoxicants while the babies brain is forming.

My pregnant wife refuses to buy me beer from the grocery store because of observations from strangers like this.

If only society cared less about preventing avoidable birth defects, you’d be able to buy drugs without such immense burden.

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Women are not in a vacuum, their decisions impact all the people and babies around them and those people and babies have a right to an opinion.

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I’m glad this research is being done. I don’t use cannabis, but I also don’t frown upon it. However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Which in my opinion is very dangerous and could harm entire populations before we have enough research. In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cig…

> In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cigarettes, fat and sugar You should look closer at the risks of caffeine. Someone was in the news dying from an accidental ingestion of a large dose just a few days ago. And there’s been some evidence for a while now that high doses of caffeine in energy drinks can lead to delusional behavior.

The difference between chewing a pound of coca leaf and snorting a pound of cocaine is also pretty stark. The dose makes the poison.

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Just as a baseline, we know smoking cannabis is unsafe because it’s smoke going into your lungs . That’s never healthy. Any particulate inhalation is bad for your lungs.

Thing is, so much cannabis consumption today is through vapor or edibles.

I'm not saying it's safe to vape or eat cannabis when you're pregnant. But you if you say:

> you shouldn't consume cannabis when pregnant because bringing particles in your lungs is bad

then you open yourself up to the immediate response of:

> OK, so I can do edibles when I'm pregnant then, right?

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> In 2018, 4.7% of pregnant women reported cannabis use and 5.4% did in 2019

Holy cow, one in twenty woman are admitting to getting high when pregnant. I wouldn't have ever thought it that high. But then again, both my and my wife's moms smoked pot while pregnant.

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#177

I read this right after I got back from the marijuana store where a pregnant woman was buying weed. It made me uncomfortable. It just seems risky to me to take intoxicants while the babies brain is forming.

My pregnant wife refuses to buy me beer from the grocery store because of observations from strangers like this.

Shame culture is one large reason why paces like Japan have so much less crime.

I wish there was more of this, would be nice to have cleaner streets…

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My pregnant wife refuses to buy me beer from the grocery store because of observations from strangers like this.

If only society cared less about preventing avoidable birth defects, you’d be able to buy drugs without such immense burden.

Does the sperm donor drinking an alcoholic beverage after the sperm has been donated contribute to birth defects? News to me!

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Stumbling upon cases like this one really shocked me - “Penile self-amputation due to cannabis-induced psychosis: a case report” https://jmedicalcasereports.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.11... (Edit: graphic images warning) If you search PubMed, you will find case reports of other similar incidents. Now, no denying this is an extremely rare adverse effect, but still a quite frightening one. (Also worth stating, many…

I have a feeling that these individuals (I could only find two in my pubmed search) were suffering from schizophrenia, not cannabis-induced psychosis. Maybe you could make the argument that the cannabis caused the schizophrenia, but that's still a different diagnosis. In the case you link the guy had smoked weed for two years prior with no apparent issues. Yes his psychosis resolved after he stopped using cannabis, b…

> I could only find two in my pubmed search

See this paper – Veeder TA, Leo RJ. Male genital self-mutilation: a systematic review of psychiatric disorders and psychosocial factors. Gen Hosp Psychiatry. 2017 Jan-Feb;44:43-50. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.genhosppsych.2016.09.003 Epub 2016 Sep 14. PMID: 28041576.

To quote its abstract:

> Data were obtained from 173 cases: genital mutilation (n=21), penile amputation (n=62), castration (n=56) and combined amputation/castration (n=34). Common psychiatric disorders included schizophrenia spectrum (49%), substance use (18.5%), personality (15.9%) and gender dysphoric disorders (15.3%)

So, while it is almost 50% schizophrenia spectrum, substance use is the second most common cause (although personality disorders and gender dysphoria are not far behind, and the difference between the three might not be statistically significant.)

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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I’m glad this research is being done. I don’t use cannabis, but I also don’t frown upon it. However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Which in my opinion is very dangerous and could harm entire populations before we have enough research. In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cig…

> entire populations

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