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Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by triyambakam »

michaelwww wrote: post #11

I read this right after I got back from the marijuana store where a pregnant woman was buying weed. It made me uncomfortable. It just seems risky to me to take intoxicants while the babies brain is forming.

Well, here's some anecdata: it kept my wife from dying from hyperemesis gravidarum (non-stop vomiting during pregnancy to the point of rupturing eye vessels, vomiting blood, dehydration, ketosis etc.)

The other medications the hospital offered didn't work, and even those came with their own fetal risks.

So it was either abort the baby, try cannabis, or probably die. Our child is now older and performs well cognitively, e.g. speaks three languages fluently.

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Post by hammock »

tedivm wrote: post #9

The amount of research over last decade has been huge, even outside of this. It used to be the only way companies could research cannabis was by getting really crappy samples from a government grow house, but with legalization the supply of research samples and the quality of researchers willing to work on it has grown considerably. This is a direct safety issue. I used to moderator one of the bigger cannabis subredd…

>one of the bigger questions that always came up was whether it was safe to smoke while pregnant. The answer I always gave was that we just don't know, and so it should be avoided. The lack of research though meant that people couldn't make informed decisions, and the stereotype around cannabis being safe meant that people did not always err on the side of caution.

My friend (a bit crazy) once told me he wondered the same thing when governments and pharmaceutical companies would say the Covid jab was safe for pregnant women. Or at least, that there was “no data” suggesting it is harmful.

I guess it is safe though, we now know

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by whateveracct »

irrational wrote: post #50
darth_avocado wrote: post #12

I’m glad this research is being done. I don’t use cannabis, but I also don’t frown upon it. However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Which in my opinion is very dangerous and could harm entire populations before we have enough research. In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cig…

It’s still a DUI if you drive on it. The week after it was legalized in my state, a person managed to put their car through the second story of a home. The toxicology report showed the only thing in their system was cannabis.

Driving high and drunk are idiotic to equate. Not saying you can't be impaired high, but people can also drive after a joint better than anyone after equivalent alcohol intoxication.

This smells like teetotaling more than evidence-based discourse.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by nwienert »

googlryas wrote: post #178
nwienert wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only society cared less about preventing avoidable birth defects, you’d be able to buy drugs without such immense burden.

Does the sperm donor drinking an alcoholic beverage after the sperm has been donated contribute to birth defects? News to me!

No post body was provided.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by kortilla »

newswasboring wrote: post #83
feet wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's easy. The packages are labeled with nutrient information, don't eat any that contain any amount of trans fats. Also as a side note, hydrogen isn't a noble gas

I think this would mean eating nothing but home cooked meals or a 3x in grocery bill. I'm not even sure of the latter strategy

Trans fats are banned in the US: https://www.fda.gov/food/food-additives-petitions/trans-fat

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by asveikau »

Maursault wrote: post #127
asveikau wrote: post #45

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https://www.google.com/search?q=cannabis+psychosis People are not making this up. It's a risk that needs to be weighed. Acknowledging this fact is not the same as being in favor of prohibition or criminalization or saying it'll happen to everyone.

I disagree. I think there is a lot of misinformation flooding the nets and the news, and this is provably true. Psychosis is a pretty obvious condition, and it was not difficult to observe psychosis thousands of years ago. Cannabis has been in wide global use since at least 8000BC, and yet... there just historically aren't enough crazy people for this to remotely pass the stiff test.

I've personally seen someone with bipolar disorder enter a months long psychotic episode after exposure to small amounts of THC. That is how I know it's a thing.

It happens.

I think psychotic illnesses are complex and there is no one cause. THC can be a factor. This is also what the Google results I linked you to said

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Post by jupp0r »

hammock wrote: post #192
tedivm wrote: post #9

The amount of research over last decade has been huge, even outside of this. It used to be the only way companies could research cannabis was by getting really crappy samples from a government grow house, but with legalization the supply of research samples and the quality of researchers willing to work on it has grown considerably. This is a direct safety issue. I used to moderator one of the bigger cannabis subredd…

>one of the bigger questions that always came up was whether it was safe to smoke while pregnant. The answer I always gave was that we just don't know, and so it should be avoided. The lack of research though meant that people couldn't make informed decisions, and the stereotype around cannabis being safe meant that people did not always err on the side of caution. My friend (a bit crazy) once told me he wondered the…

Pregnant women were included in the original safety studies (not by design, if you have 40k people some of them will become pregnant) and there were no safety signals. On the other hand we had pretty good information early on that being pregnant was a major risk factor in getting severe COVID.

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Post by hannofcart »

sammalloy wrote: post #151
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #55

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I need alcohol to be sociable.

> I need alcohol to be sociable I always laugh when I see this. Alcohol turns me into an introvert.

Glad to know there are other people with this tendency.

I'm usually a good conversationalist but stop talking as soon as I've had a couple.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by rendang »

heavyset_go wrote: post #112
Bud wrote: post #47

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It's not that complex, actually. The vast majority of fats, all the natural ones, basically, are fine. Healthy, even. The weirdass plastic fats created by injecting hydrogen into vegetable oil are not fine. Done! Was that really so nuanced? No. It was not.

Palm oils in particular are not very healthy and are suspected to be a leading cause of diet-induced heart disease. Not all fats are created equally, or in equal proportions. Palm oils are high in specific saturated fats that are linked to cardiovascular disease. Palm oils are some of the most common fats found in prepared foods, especially foods that need solid fats at room temperatures. The majority of peanut butte…

I don't know where you're getting that idea about peanut butter and palm oil, it isn't true of the major US peanut butter brands

https://www.peanutbutter.com/peanut-butter/creamy

https://www.jif.com/peanut-butter/creamy/creamy-peanut-butte...

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by jonhohle »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #17

“ 6 exposures (unplanned pregnancy; maternal alcohol, marijuana, and tobacco use early in pregnancy; pregnancy complications; and birth complications) independently associated with significant but small increases in CBCL total score. Among these 6, none increased the odds of crossing the threshold for clinically significant symptoms by itself. However, odds of exceeding this threshold became significant with 2 exposu…

IIRC, earlier research by Bledsoe and Davies at UWashington found lots of confounding factors for maternal drug use. For example, alcohol use by crack users during pregnancy was effectively universal making it likely that the crack-baby epidemic in the 90s was most likely FAS. I believe they also found no correlation between marijuana use and developmental delays.
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