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Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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If you really want to scramble your noodle, look at the recent spate of state laws placing restrictions on speech and notice the lean of the parties that control those states.

Can you give some examples? Is it actually speech that's being restricted, or actions, or access to certain types of speech/content (e.g. age restrictions)?

It’s probably easier to assume it’s the restrictions on speech that you agree with. I usually prefer the easy way myself.

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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There appears to be a recent shift on HackerNews no longer support freedom of speech. I don't know that its just HackerNews either - it seems like its 'internet residents no longer support freedom of speech.' I'm not sure how to interpret this.

I can't speak to all of HN, but over the years I've gone from a free speech absolutist to seeing rights as balanced against one another. And also to consider what motivates me to be for free speech.

For example, one reason I think free speech is vital is that I want everybody to have a say. Another is that think society works best when we hear from a wide variety of perspectives. However, there are some people who use "free speech" as a reason that they should be allowed to be abusive. Note, for example, the way that Kiwi Farms was waving the free speech banner. You'll see the same thing being done by people who advocate for exterminating Jews and returning Black people to slavery.

In practice, a platform like Twitter has to choose between hosting abusive Nazis and hosting the people who the Nazis would try to drive off the platform. Personally, I am more concerned about Jews feeling safe to speak freely than I am about Nazis wanting to use their free speech to abuse them. So although my 20-year-old self might have been shocked that I am no longer a free-speech absolutist, I am fine with him being shocked, because I have come to value net, long-term practical outcomes more than the isolated ideals that I now see as valuable heuristics, not articles of faith.

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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In my experience, the notion of being "for or against freedom of speech" is actually referring to something more subjective, and that phrasing is used to imply which side of the disagreement the speaker believes is correct, like referring to the debate about abortion as the debate about murdering babies. It signals a strong bias.

Would it be better to phrase it as "I believe that other people should be able to hear from people they want to" and "I believe that we should stop people from hearing from certain people"?

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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I grew up in the US being told that freedom of speech was a virtue, something that our country did very well and I always thought that it was a shared value.

It's very surprising to me to see that change in such a short span, or possibly it was not as popular or widespread as I thought it was growing up and I just never noticed. Is it the internet that has caused this uptick in the number of people who think free speech is a bad idea? Or has it always been like that?

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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So how would you protect those with less information processing ability from the consequences of more free exchange of information?

Protect them from what? I assume you're presupposing that "free speech is dangerous" here?

Protection from their perception of threat.

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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Makes perfect sense to me. The free exchange of information is more appealing and less threatening when you have more information processing capability to begin with.

> The free exchange of information is more appealing and less threatening when you have more information processing capability to begin with. I struggle to get this. "Dumb" people feel threatened when others can freely express themselves?

I've noticed that it's hard to feel threatened when someone you trust says something you don't understand. Can imagine the reverse to be true.

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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Makes perfect sense to me. The free exchange of information is more appealing and less threatening when you have more information processing capability to begin with.

Sure, but that’s not how science is made. Lots of things “make sense” and are ultimately proven wrong.

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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Internet residents aren't government. They can't arrest people, lock anyone up, or sentence anyone to death for anything, let alone for saying something. There's nothing there for speech to be free from.

what about monetization. i.e. livelihood, the thing that keeps people from starving etc

That's not new in the digital realm. Speech has always had social consequences: https://www.popehat.com/2013/09/10/speech-and-consequences/
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