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Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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It seems to be based on data grouped on questionable labeling of dubious grouping of people, correlated with a weak proxy of cognitive ability (How many word associations do homosexuals get right; that's really one of the cells in the analysis). And it answers nothing of interest. How is this publishable?

>How is this publishable?

I am guessing that if you write a paper that effectively tells the reader "you are smart", your odds of being published skyrocket regardless of the quality of your work.

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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Makes perfect sense to me. The free exchange of information is more appealing and less threatening when you have more information processing capability to begin with.

> The free exchange of information is more appealing and less threatening when you have more information processing capability to begin with.

I struggle to get this. "Dumb" people feel threatened when others can freely express themselves?

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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There appears to be a recent shift on HackerNews no longer support freedom of speech. I don't know that its just HackerNews either - it seems like its 'internet residents no longer support freedom of speech.' I'm not sure how to interpret this.

It is sad that people who believe in real free speech now have to clarify that they are free speech absolutists. When it comes down to it, I don’t think any of those people you are mentioning ever actually supported free speech - just the idea of it before it came to a head.

Absolute free speech is a practical impossibility. Fighting words, by definition, are words that could result in the limitation of freedoms (including speech) of others.

For example, what would you do if one person successfully convinces a crowd (through speech) to hang/kill their opponent? Given that the opponent would subsequently be dead (or maimed), how would they exercise their right to free speech?

I can certainly agree with the paper, but not to the point of absolutism. The logical flaws in free speech absolutism betray very weak logical prowess, which would presumably mean the individual is deficient in cognitive ability.

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you protect the rights of those being bullied, trolled, harassed, doxxxed and revenge-porned.

With laws.

That’s exactly my point. Laws restricting speech. Free speech is a utopian nonsense, there are always restrictions (just ask the SEC). It’s just a question of where a society thinks the line should be drawn.

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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post #9

It would be interesting to see if they could control for level of/exposure to formal education in cognitive ability (plenty of smart uneducated people, and dumb educated people). I think this would help tease of if this is a feature of cognitive ability, or if cognitive ability is just a proxy to how much civics education you've likely had.

Interesting question. They partially address it in the paper:

> Controlling for gender, ethnicity, and education did not meaningfully alter the relationships between cognitive ability and support for freedom of speech, nor the mediating role of IH. Also controlling for participants’ ideology (separately or in addition to the demographic variables) did not meaningfully alter the results, which can be found at OSF. (p. 39)

I read that to suggest that, at least for study 3's results, the inclusion of education did not meaningfully change their results.

If we are thinking about possible confounders, something I am wondering about the extent to which their choice to use verbal cognitive ability (i.e., "a vocabulary test (i.e., Wordsum)" for study 1 and 2, and "a (verbal) cognitive ability measure, that is, the Ammons Quick Test" for study 3) could explain participants' preference towards freedom of speech, which arguably is usually discussed as a verbal form of freedom, either spoken or printed. As they are measuring verbal capacity, I would expect people who are better with words to be more drawn to freedom of speech. Maybe people who are more "outgoing" might be drawn more towards freedom of assembly.

I am also wondering how people who are drawn more towards non-written forms of communication (e.g., memes, videos, podcasts, etc.) score on their verbal cognitive test and whether they have similar/different views about freedom of speech.

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

#47

Makes perfect sense to me. The free exchange of information is more appealing and less threatening when you have more information processing capability to begin with.

> The free exchange of information is more appealing and less threatening when you have more information processing capability to begin with. I struggle to get this. "Dumb" people feel threatened when others can freely express themselves?

Yes. Just look at the "words are violence" alphabet people.

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

#48

Makes perfect sense to me. The free exchange of information is more appealing and less threatening when you have more information processing capability to begin with.

So how would you protect those with less information processing ability from the consequences of more free exchange of information?

Protect them from what? I assume you're presupposing that "free speech is dangerous" here?

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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There appears to be a recent shift on HackerNews no longer support freedom of speech. I don't know that its just HackerNews either - it seems like its 'internet residents no longer support freedom of speech.' I'm not sure how to interpret this.

I don't think we know the true feelings of each individual, but certainly the major employers in the field here find it in their interests to control the information. So even if the general population wants freedom of speech, that needs to be balanced against the duties of job. If you're set up at FAANG, the risk/reward ratio might not favor one's ideals.

Re: Cognitive ability is related to supporting freedom of speech (2020)

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post #12

There appears to be a recent shift on HackerNews no longer support freedom of speech. I don't know that its just HackerNews either - it seems like its 'internet residents no longer support freedom of speech.' I'm not sure how to interpret this.

Internet residents aren't government. They can't arrest people, lock anyone up, or sentence anyone to death for anything, let alone for saying something. There's nothing there for speech to be free from.

what about monetization. i.e. livelihood, the thing that keeps people from starving etc
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