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Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by tomrod »

kennend3 wrote: post #136
tomrod wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at 500k. Exclusive private offices start making financial sense in the 160M to 200M range. There are shared private offices below that, but this* gets nebulous with asset management and such. Edit: thst -> this. Mobile autocorrects the wrong "correction"

as someone posted, 500K was like 20 years ago.. it is now a million dollars. and no one said they have 'exclusive accountants'. There are accounting services where you pay them for a few days work and they take care of all your bills for you. I've only met one multi-billionaire in my life and can assure you that he has never seen his bills, let alone pay them. He doesnt even own a smart phone, because he has assistan…

Family offices are an investment fund + services company wholly owned by a single person/family for the benefit of that person/family's goals. It's much more than accounting services. It's a step above private bank / wealth and assess management by a firm with multiple clients.

Their quality and approaches are highly varied, but the one billionaire you know probably uses one, as the "never pay bills and no smart phone" is fairly indicative of a family office behind the scenes.

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by muro »

ornornor wrote: post #185
hiq wrote: post #89

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> Try to bank in Switzerland, it is so 1980ties... What do you mean by that? In a way it's not retro enough (for me?), I currently have an account that can only be accessed via a mobile app (e.g. no website). See for instance https://www.neon-free.ch/en/ You can open an account fully online from your home, I don't think you even have to mail anything.

There is quite a gap between the incumbents and “neo banks” in CH. Neo banks are more modern and convenient but only compared to traditional banks within CH: spotty online bills support, no twint (or prepay twint), money transfers only occur once a day at 10am on banking days, customer service open from 9 to 5… Banks in CH are hilariously bad (and expensive), and it’s a shock because you always have this image that S…

I have 0 issues with canton banks, e.g. ZKB, works perfectly.

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

dahfizz wrote: post #138
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #68

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> Apple breaks existing apps. They have a pretty long beta program (source: Apple dev., since 1986). If your app doesn't work with the upcoming release, it's not Apple's fault. Some companies will refuse to start testing, until the OS is officially released. That's a corporate process problem, and not Apple's. I'm not an Apple apologist, though I am often accused of being so (because I develop Apple apps, that is eno…

That's exactly the issue. Writing an app once shouldn't mean a lifetime of maintenance. You shouldn't have to test and rewrite once a year (!!). If I gave you a three month warning before punching you in the face, it doesn't make it reasonable for me to punch you in the face.

If you need to rewrite your app, every year, then the problem is not the operating system vendor.

If you don't want to write apps for a platform, then the solution is simple; don't support it.

Most folks like to support Apple, because it's a really lucrative user base. People make a lot of money from users of Apple devices. People use Apple devices, because they like the assurance they get, of certain things. Most of the folks that complain about Apple are not exactly representative of the huge majority of folks that use Apple devices; who don't have much interest in going out on social media, and making noise about their devices.

If someone gives me a three-month punch warning; I have no one to blame, but myself, if my face is still there, when the punch comes. Whether or not the punch should be thrown, is another matter, and not really relevant (or appropriate) to the discussion.

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by altairprime »

DavideNL wrote: post #49

Medtronic sends emails to their customers also, for both iOS and Android it is recommended to disable OS upgrades, as they will not update their Minimed Mobile app yet [1]. I imagine they need to test / get FDA clearance first or something similar, since it's a medical app. But... people will forget to re-enable the updates afterwards, of course. The email is send every year, with every update of the OS. [1] https://…

Apple tends to ask people to reconfirm system settings now and then after iOS upgrades. Does iOS ask about automatic upgrades occasionally?

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by altairprime »

superkuh wrote: post #63

Everyone is jumping on the bank for not staying up to date with the frequent and massive chanages that Apple makes. But this is only a news story because it is a bank, this scenario happens constantly to a large fraction of all iOS software. The problem here is that modern libs and standards change so fast (similar to JS) that it really is hard for anyone without a megacorp's worth of software dev employees to keep u…

The iOS betas have been available to the bank for three months prior to the public release, every year since they first signed up for a developer account.

If this is their first year dealing with an iOS update, they have my sympathies.

If the bank has spent the past 90 days trying and failing to make their app work, they have my sympathies.

If this is not their first year, and they chose not to bother testing their app until the release candidate was issued this week, they do not have my sympathies.

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by jquery »

tomrod wrote: post #219
jquery wrote: post #212

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So basically he doesn’t even enjoy his money except as a means to make more money. Sounds like a hunger curse.

To have such problems.

It sounds sad to me. It’s like how visions of heaven 500 years ago all imagined huge feasts every day, but if you told me heaven was a Golden Corral, I’d look for a different heaven. We are still in this scarcity-capitalist-mindset that more money/stuff is always better, but I don’t think that’s the right way to be looking at things. We should appreciate the forced scarcity, like how our ancestors may have been hungry sometimes but lived at a much healthier weight.

Please keep in mind I’m not talking about living in poverty, I’m talking about having all your monetary needs met to live your lifestyle (without being forced to work), without having a huge excess left over.

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by Bilal_io »

jl6 wrote: post #60

What I find really amazing is that we have here an incredibly elite service that the vast majority of people will never be able to afford, and yet its elite clients are dependent on essentially the same mobile devices that everyone else is. You can spend ~$2k on a phone, and it will be the best phone you can buy. There's no $20k phone that will be any better. It's like flying in first class and then having to queue u…

> $20k phone

Is this what some of Blackberry phones would have been if they continued their earlier legacy and designed phone lineups that appeal to reach people (hardened device, durable, privacy, "non-trackable", can connect to any cellular network and satellite internet.. etc)?

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by Bilal_io »

joshmanders wrote: post #109
superkuh wrote: post #63

Everyone is jumping on the bank for not staying up to date with the frequent and massive chanages that Apple makes. But this is only a news story because it is a bank, this scenario happens constantly to a large fraction of all iOS software. The problem here is that modern libs and standards change so fast (similar to JS) that it really is hard for anyone without a megacorp's worth of software dev employees to keep u…

> The problem here is that modern libs and standards change so fast (similar to JS) that it really is hard for anyone without a megacorp's worth of software dev employees to keep up. Are you so sure of this? I have apps that haven't been updated in years that still run on my iPhone 13 Pro Max using latest iOS.

I am not an iOS dev, but is it possible that banking apps (and I admit they're slow at adapting) depend on certain APIs that have changed, or Apple deciding to enforce a use of a specific API for a specific type of apps?

I am asking to learn.

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