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Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by Veen »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #73
dukeofdoom wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oceans have been terribly overfished, but people need to eat. Many poorer countries rely on fishing to help then feed their populations. Banning commercial fishing would be like banning commercial chicken. A huge loss of a major cheap source of protein, and nothing to replace it with.

Here is a source of sustainable cheap protein! It is hard to compete with the commodity price of fish meal but we are very close to doing so. (I know, we are running a maggot farm, don’t judge) Inputs are based on restaurant food waste. Also looking for sources of cheap starch if you know any. Displacing fish meal is a major priority and motivation for this startup. Comments welcome: https://www.getprotyn.com/

Let them eat maggots.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by FpUser »

spookierookie wrote: post #65

So, everybody knows that almost certainly the crew killed him, and the crew and their company and their vessel just walks? And that keeps happening... I'd propose in any subsequent event of a missing observer captain does time, ship seized, company closed and that's done even before police starting asking questions. I bet there wouldn't be any missing observer after that.

>"I'd propose in any subsequent event of a missing observer captain does time, ship seized, company closed and that's done even before police starting asking questions."

I have better idea. Imprison POTUS or whomever else goes for a similar role in other countries. After all they're the ones ultimately responsible. And do it for any injustice that has lead to a death/s or anything stronger then mere inconvenience.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by Jedd »

Guthur wrote: post #57
maxbond wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignoring the snark, it's an interesting point and I'm not in favor of using violence to achieve any ends. Not interested in waiting around to die because some large fishing interests are structurally incapable of behaving responsibly, either, though. Just as I reject that our only options are to either screw over fishing communities or do nothing, I reject that our only alternatives are violence or doing nothing. I d…

Not you nor anyone else has any proof of any collapse, it is hyperbolic nonsense. The problem is that all and I mean all of these idealogical driven agendas require tyranny because I for one do not agree with your world view.

> Not you nor anyone else has any proof of any collapse, it is hyperbolic nonsense.

I'm surprised that there's any contention at all around the science that shows ocean degradation (historical and on-going), or indeed about the (likely) impending collapse.

In 2014, the living planet report[0] included this dire little snippet:

"Population sizes of vertebrate species—mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians, and fish—have declined by 52 percent over the last 40 years."

Fishery exhaustion around the globe is tremendously well documented, with only a tiny handful of isolated success stories where strict regulation has been able to be enforced, and localised recovery has started to occur (New Zealand, f.e.).

I'm wondering how you claim hyperbole in the people studying and reporting these things.

[0] http://assets.worldwildlife.org/publications/723/files/origi...

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by FpUser »

spookierookie wrote: post #79
skrebbel wrote: post #70

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I’ll never understand how passionately people will argue for a society without any form of civic justice, just because they’re angry about something they read on the internet. Just lock random people up without due process! That’ll teach them!

Does what happened seem just to you? That form of passion that you disapprove comes from failing to serve justice in the first place. Do you have any better proposal than to just keep going like this and be sorry for the observers that end up at the bottom of the sea? If yes I'm eager to hear about it. Also, unless I'm very rusty with the legal system, if you're the captain, by definition you're responsible for anyon…

>"Coming back to port with anyone missing should be a HUGE problem for you."

After proving ( in the court of law) that it was because captain's neglect. If sailor A kills sailor B just for the fuck of it (and this happens or the true reason might be unknown) do you propose preventively punish a captain before establishing causation and guilt?

And most of injustice happens because our laws are constructed in fucked up ways and almost never punish politicians that are the ultimate reasons for such system. The example - asymmetric laws when it is easy to declare person dead by mistake with all the consequences and then it takes years for a person to get their rights back. And many other laws are like this. You want justice - go after politicians first. Here is the idea - if any person is harmed as the result of such asymmetric laws every politician immediately gets 10% salary cut until the law is fixed. Suddenly you'll find politicians busy doing nothing but fixing law system. This of course will be a problem on its own.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by astrange »

_freek wrote: post #35
ars wrote: post #13

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It's already slowing going away anyway, being replaced by fish farms: https://ourworldindata.org/rise-of-aquaculture I can't seem to find any source with data past 2015. Aquaculture is already cheaper than wild caught. In stores (judging by labels) wild caught is already becoming marketed as a "premium" product, with prices to match, which will reduce demand.

Fish farms have their own problems. The amount of waste it generates, sea lice issues and the fact they feed their ‘premium’ fish tons of ‘fish meal’ as a source of omega 3 which still needs to be caught. It’s a step up from fishing at an industrial scale but not sustainable in the end.

The omega-3s come from krill in the first place, so it seems like you could feed them that or some other bioaccumulator.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by vegardx »

philliphaydon wrote: post #32
ars wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's already slowing going away anyway, being replaced by fish farms: https://ourworldindata.org/rise-of-aquaculture I can't seem to find any source with data past 2015. Aquaculture is already cheaper than wild caught. In stores (judging by labels) wild caught is already becoming marketed as a "premium" product, with prices to match, which will reduce demand.

I would never eat Norwegian farmed salmon. Norwegian fish farming is on par with US pig farming.

Is it any different from other farmed fish? And what is the danger here?

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

wumpus wrote: post #56
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #55

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I believe the parent comment agree with you and is mentioning he is vegetarians so that answers focus on why fishing makes it's easy for slavery given there are abuses in agricultures as well. Thank to this, he was able to ask a question that was uneasy to ask, and get the answer about international waters, making it an interesting addition to the whole thread.

@upwardbound appears to be mentioning vegetarians as flamebait, so if you want to engage with that, be my guest.

I don't read it that way. Quite the opposite, upwardbound is offering an opinion that is not against meat, and therefore, being vegetarien just signals it is rooted is thinking and not dogmatism.

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by therealdrag0 »

sunsunsunsun wrote: post #17
neodypsis wrote: post #12

Is anybody here working on remote sensing applications for identifying illegal fishing?

Yep, I work for and there are several companies working on this problem. I specifically work for a company creating USVs to fight the issue on the water but there are others working on solutions from the air and space.

Also interested. What company?

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by fao_ »

tremon wrote: post #78
sunsunsunsun wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, I work for and there are several companies working on this problem. I specifically work for a company creating USVs to fight the issue on the water but there are others working on solutions from the air and space.

USVs unmanned submarine vehicle?

Or, you know, you could just open a tab and type in USV, right?

It's kind of amazing how many people have the option to do that and find something new out, but will instead make up shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_surface_vehicle

Re: Keith Davis was protecting the oceans, then he disappeared

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Post by therealdrag0 »

philliphaydon wrote: post #32
ars wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's already slowing going away anyway, being replaced by fish farms: https://ourworldindata.org/rise-of-aquaculture I can't seem to find any source with data past 2015. Aquaculture is already cheaper than wild caught. In stores (judging by labels) wild caught is already becoming marketed as a "premium" product, with prices to match, which will reduce demand.

I would never eat Norwegian farmed salmon. Norwegian fish farming is on par with US pig farming.

Most Americans eat farmed pigs, so I guess they can eat Norwegian farmed salmon! Problem solved :)
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