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Post by ivraatiems »

akira2501 wrote: post #466
mikl wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DDoS’ing is quite different from just turning your back on someone. It’s more akin to following someone around with a megaphone and shouting over everything they say so no one can hear them. Sure, you might celebrate when that’s done to someone you dislike, but a lot less appealing if you imagine it done to a cause you agree with.

Also, DDoS is a crime. Saying racist things isn't. We shouldn't blur the line here.

Companies are not prosecutors of crimes. They're entities acting in a society. The whole point of my comment is that there is already a clear line and by removing Kiwi Farms from circulation this way, rather than by government edict, we are observing it.

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Post by [deleted] »

Maursault wrote: post #470
that_guy_iain wrote: post #45

The thing is, it's hard to feel bad for kiwifarms. They seem to be one of the worst sites there are. But freedom of speech/expression/opinions aren't about defending those who speech/expression/opinions you like but all of them. Personally, I think the site being shutdown is a good thing. But it's hard to look at the fact a few corporations can remove a website from the internet and think this is good for a free and…

> But freedom of speech/expression/opinions aren't about defending those who speech/expression/opinions you like but all of them. Freedom of Speech is not absolute.[1] There are limitations, and it sounds like KiwiFarms members crossed that line many, many times without KiwiFarms doing anything about it. But more importantly, CloudFlare is not a government entity. There’s no First Amendment right to speak on social m…

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Post by flumpcakes »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #472
flumpcakes wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone ( anyone regardless of anything) who said they believed giving any medicine to a child without parental consent, even implying subterfuge, to me is extremely dangerous and I would pull my child out of any activity/school/club if there was someone there with those views in a responsible role of the children. For that reason I think attitudes like this do more harm for the trans community than good. If I knew a…

Many, many public schools in the US gave out COVID shots without parental consent. It also seems that several of them are encouraging kids to transition and hide it from their parents - a school in Alaska was recently sued for this.

In the UK vaccinations are not mandatory. However, medical professionals can force treatment (or refuse treatment) based on the medical needs of the child. I don't have a problem with this as some parents kill their child from neglect. I am also not a doctor.

I can't really comment on the US. But thank you for the insight...

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Post by ratsmack »

bergenty wrote: post #423
philippejara wrote: post #336

Kiwifarm's owner statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20220905182626/https://poa.st/no... This whole thing is kinda fascinating, if not extremely scary. After learning about the situation from the last couple threads here and going down the rabbit hole of sources, the future of the internet seems pretty sad... If cloudflare doesn't reinstate the website after dealing with said immediate danger they claimed was the…

I’ve actually accepted and have come around to prefer a regulated internet. I actually don’t want my kid to be exposed to any information coming out of anyone except experts that are excepted at a societal level like we’ve had these past few decades. I like the status quo and that’s why I now identify as a conservative.

>I actually don’t want my kid to be exposed...

We used to call this parenting. Censoring the internet at large because some people don't actively police their children's access is not a solution.

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Post by tsimionescu »

moomin wrote: post #256
tsimionescu wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So why are they not being prosecuted if it was a crime? DDoS is also a crime, and equates to mob justice at best in this case.

You seem to be under the impression most crimes are prosecuted. Very few are, because, amongst many other things, the police do not exist to protect citizens.

So why not try to do something about the police, and instead focusing on Cloud Flare. Surely there are many more important crimes that Cloud Flare can't help with, and that the police could if it were forced by people to act as it is supposed to.

Also, have any of the people complaining about this on the internet actually filed complaints with the police/procesutor's office? Have they even attempted to follow the legal channels before deciding to take the law into their own hands?

Surely a prosecutor standing for re-election would be much more likely to be swayed than a massive mega corporation. But why go through the bother of actually doing something that could help set legal precedent when you can simply tweet furiously.

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Post by optimalsolver »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #273

I didn't know about this site until yesterday. After reading the thread that got them took down, I know one thing, I will not be letting my children near discord. I mean, if this is how people act in public[0], I hate to imagine what kind of stuff they are doing in a private discord, away from parents prying eyes. There's no heroes in this story. [0] Bathtub hormones being sold to minors in bright packaging featuring…

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Post by Snetry »

bioemerl wrote: post #281
SinParadise wrote: post #95

De-platforming works.

This ability to "deplatform" is also what allows fascist nations to exist and keeps Putin in power today in Russia.

No

A good 'ol gun to the head does the same job for cheaper plus it takes care of the root of the problem

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Post by birdboy2000 »

tstrimple wrote: post #438
phillipcarter wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also a cultural thing. 4chan is not a place where you go obsess over one particular person with aims to ruin their life. It's, as you say, a place of chaos and inanity.

Unless that person is critiquing games from a feminist perspective.

saying "your critiques are bad and you're a grifter" is a far cry from ruining someone's life and doing anything worse got you banned

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Post by neonsunset »

pxeger1 wrote: post #409
neonsunset wrote: post #334

The problem with salem witch trials du jour so fervently pushed by certain groups of people is closing to its demise with every case like this. The advantage of emotionally immature people (regardless of their actual age) having too much time on their hands forcing their narrative and banning any discourse that they don't like will eventually cease when the majority of people will realize that they are, well, in a ma…

(I'm inferring that your comment is supporting KiwiFarms. If this is not the case, you should probably re-word it.) > salem witch trials du jour so fervently pushed by certain groups of people Hunting trans people and pushing them to suicide sounds like much more of a witch trial to me. > forcing their narrative and banning any discourse that they don't like Telling to people to kill themselves is "discourse" that we…

Your response is a perfect demonstration of the issue at hand and the choice of words is driven by a desire to silence the people who question the logic of a tribe you perceive yourself a part of: nothing in my post indicated support of some narrow part of the spectrum of opinions yet you make an assumption and go through with accusation anyway.

As Paul Graham himself put this, anyone suspected of supporting yellowists is to be investigated for missteps and once one is found to the trial they go.

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Post by philippejara »

ChicagoDave wrote: post #469
ivraatiems wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you ever watch 12 Angry Men ? There's a scene in that movie where an unabashedly racist man is making his point as loudly and angrily as he can. One by one, all the others in the room turn their backs on him. When only one man is left, that man has a short message for the racist: "Sit down, and don't open your mouth again while I'm here." Nobody puts him in jail. Nobody takes away his right to make a living or hi…

I don't know the entire history here, but my understanding is that KF was a forum where doxing and swatting was openly pervasive. Sounds like a perfect example of society holding a site accountable and producing the correct outcome. There was no government involved, so it's not a "free speech" issue. I always talk about the wild west of the late 90's when the Internet was brand new. My colleagues and I all talked abo…

Well, doxing by public means seemed to be pretty open and shut yes, but while there are accusations galore of swatting I'm yet to see a single piece of evidence of them being to blame for it, and on paper they actively prohibit illegal things of that sort, for whatever that's worth. Hell the obvious false flag on the congresswomen straight up saying it was a specific user on the forum should be enough to cast suspicions on all these accusations as far as I'm concerned and at least expect some proof, some archive, something.
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