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Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by bdcravens »

michaelmrose wrote: post #153
bdcravens wrote: post #130

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As a developer, I worry about this. However, I also don't work on systems that could cause anyone a level of harm resulting in criminal damage. If I did, I'd like to think I'd increase the care I put into my craft 1000x. I realize that's not doable in many companies, and that's the problem. Too many companies taking the "move fast and break things" attitude towards people's lives and safety. This is how you invite th…

It highly probable that you are incapable of increasing the care you put into your craft by 1000x as you no matter your intentions because there isn't 1000x more of you to give. In anything better processes and consistency beats try harder 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

By care I'm thinking more disciplined approaches and moving very slowly with a significant increase in QA and verification. Most of us, regardless of the framework, time in the industry, or what letter we put in our xDD methodology of choice, are flying by the seat of our pants compared to most disciplines.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by michaelmrose »

Spooky23 wrote: post #47
Tijdreiziger wrote: post #27

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So where do we go from here? I have a Samsung Galaxy S9 at the moment, but Samsung's typo-filled changelogs don't exactly inspire confidence. It has also been bugging me to accept the new Samsung Account terms, which I don't want to do. Chinese brands (Huawei, Xiaomi, Motorola, etc.) don't inspire confidence for me either. Apple had the CSAM scanning controversy. I have an iPad, but a bunch of features I didn't want…

Just get an iPhone. They are for better or worse the BlackBerry of the 2020s. Samsung is the only rival in terms of hardware. Google lacks the attention span to execute. Everything else is even less baked. I’d experiment with nerdy Android distros with a tablet. I used to have a Linux smartphone (whose name escapes me, which is driving me nuts) back in like 2006/7, it was fun but not a “daily driver”.

Motorola makes good phones. I'm not sure why everyone is fixated on Samsung. Seems to me the Motorola G line is fantastic and even relatively cheap with the Moto G 5G being not but $300

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by omginternets »

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #128
libria wrote: post #81

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I don't know the specific law, but FCC does expect a phone to be able to reach 911 (e.g., 911 Act). There must already be a penalizing process or fines in place for manufacturers who fail to meet basic standards. I'm not sure what criminal liability would look like, though. Who do we put in jail? The dev? QA? People who CR'd the bug? The TPM who proposed the feature? The manager who allocated time? The skip who initi…

It's abundantly clear from the replies in this thread that people are thinking emotionally, not rationally. They're pissed off at their phone, and reaching for the biggest stick they can find -- not to fix the problem, but to punish whoever caused it. Likely, they wouldn't even punish the right person, it would just be a scapegoat sacrificed to appease their wrath. Your comment is right on the nose when it comes to t…

You seem to be (intentionally?) missing the point, which is that a known-dangerous bug was not promptly fixed.

The mental gymnastics required to turn this into something other than criminal negligence are ... olympic.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by wiseowise »

whimsicalism wrote: post #52
wiseowise wrote: post #36

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Huh. I wonder where are all the Android/Pixel apologists that say that to taste "real" Android you have to use Pixel. (And I say that as an Android developer, before downvotes come my way)

I think they say that about the software, not the hardware.

Literally every issue listed seems like a software issue to me.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

layer8 wrote: post #155
LegitShady wrote: post #142

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Because I want to use a browser with Adblock and iOS won't let me, so it's ruled out from the start. Why would I settle for an expensive device that makes browsing the internet painful? Why would I limit myself to only the software apple will approve? It isn't even in the running and as long as their software policies remain as is, won't be in the running.

There are adblocker extensions (aka “content blockers”) on iOS that work very well. This has been the case since iOS 9 IIRC, so seven years ago.

It only supports ‘Chrome Manifest v3’-style ‘simple’ blocking lists, not ‘true’ adblockers. These mostly work fine but are clearly less powerful.

They also don’t work with non-Safari browsers (e.g. Firefox).

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

kelnos wrote: post #132
er888kh wrote: post #78

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Just look for a phone on which you can easily install a stable custom ROM. I previously had a Samsung device and installed Lineage OS and was happy-ish. It was clean and free of bloatware, fast, and had a good battery life. The downside was that it wasn't stable (probably never got an uptime above 48h) and the major updates were too buggy and too late. I recently bought a Xiaomi device. The moment you turn it on you…

The problem is that anyone who wants to use Google Pay or banking apps, or anything that requires the phone to pass SafetyNet, will not be able to use an alternative ROM. Right now that's the only thing stopping me from getting a phone with a shitty "skinned" version of Android, as I can't replace the factory OS without losing a ton of functionality I rely on.

Google Pay doesn’t respect your privacy anyway, as the terms state that Google can use your transaction data to profile you.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by bongoman37 »

libria wrote: post #81
bjt2n3904 wrote: post #48

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> criminal prosecution Steady now. I don't think you want that.

I don't know the specific law, but FCC does expect a phone to be able to reach 911 (e.g., 911 Act). There must already be a penalizing process or fines in place for manufacturers who fail to meet basic standards. I'm not sure what criminal liability would look like, though. Who do we put in jail? The dev? QA? People who CR'd the bug? The TPM who proposed the feature? The manager who allocated time? The skip who initi…

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Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by staindk »

Tijdreiziger wrote: post #27
nickpinkston wrote: post #21

I got a Pixel 6 Pro a few months ago, and it's without question the worst phone I've ever had the displeasure to own. - It crashes constantly. - Bluetooth is even buggier than usual. - Fingerprint unlock is very finicky. - The touchscreen isn't designed/calibrated well and leads to constant fat finger presses. - The hotspot is buggy to connect and randomly drops once it does connect. - The phone is so slick (ie low f…

So where do we go from here? I have a Samsung Galaxy S9 at the moment, but Samsung's typo-filled changelogs don't exactly inspire confidence. It has also been bugging me to accept the new Samsung Account terms, which I don't want to do. Chinese brands (Huawei, Xiaomi, Motorola, etc.) don't inspire confidence for me either. Apple had the CSAM scanning controversy. I have an iPad, but a bunch of features I didn't want…

If I had the money I'd probably get one of the more expensive Sony phones. They seem great, at least in theory.

Re: Google Pixel 6 still freezes when calling Emergency Services

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Post by qball »

pid-1 wrote: post #79
Tijdreiziger wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So where do we go from here? I have a Samsung Galaxy S9 at the moment, but Samsung's typo-filled changelogs don't exactly inspire confidence. It has also been bugging me to accept the new Samsung Account terms, which I don't want to do. Chinese brands (Huawei, Xiaomi, Motorola, etc.) don't inspire confidence for me either. Apple had the CSAM scanning controversy. I have an iPad, but a bunch of features I didn't want…

If you want a premium phone, Apple is pretty much unchallenged. I'm not a fan of expensive phones though - I'm scared I will break it and lose $700+ in the blink of an eye. Been using cheap Motorolas for the past 10 years, no complains.

>I'm not a fan of expensive phones though - I'm scared I will break it and lose $700+ in the blink of an eye.

Phones over 200 bucks are a serious liability, I agree.

Fortunately, that also happens to be the price of the fourth-fastest phone on the market, that being the iPhone SE (Gen 2).

The fastest phone on the market (that being the Gen 3) is twice that price, but I have an easier time accepting a premium for that that's closer to 100 than the 1000 you'd have to pay to get the most capable Android phones... and they're still 4 years behind the iPhone technology-wise.

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