Porsche boss faces software woes keeping VW a step behind Tesla

Post by petre » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 4:30 AM UTC

amluto wrote: post #22

gumby wrote: post #15

I've been following this debacle in the German press and I think there's a structural problem that they will struggle to dig their way out of. And by "they" I don't mean just VW, but much of European industry. Software is simply not valued in Europe, and not because there aren't amazing developers there -- there are many. But software isn't considered important Let's start with cars. Back before cars were just comput…

> But ("FSD" excepted) they spend more of their attention on what really matters: treating their vehicle as a modern electronic device. Yet even Tesla does a rather bad job at this — they consider it to be a modern electronic device and ignore the wheels. OTA updates regularly change the UI in a way that is difficult and dangerous to learn when the wheels are spinning. Even when familiar with it, the very basics are…

Post by [deleted] » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 4:33 AM UTC

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #136

This is funny to me, in a perhaps sad way. I've interviewed quite a few Tesla software engineers and worked with several ex-Tesla software engineers in various capacities. The impression I have is that Tesla software is fucking terrible , generally. I'm sure there are some smart folks there and I don't mean to disparage anyone working there but, the stuff I've seen or heard is enough that I would never purchase one o…

Post by dmitriid » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 4:40 AM UTC

est31 wrote: post #67

gumby wrote: post #15

I've been following this debacle in the German press and I think there's a structural problem that they will struggle to dig their way out of. And by "they" I don't mean just VW, but much of European industry. Software is simply not valued in Europe, and not because there aren't amazing developers there -- there are many. But software isn't considered important Let's start with cars. Back before cars were just comput…

> But ("FSD" excepted) they spend more of their attention on what really matters: treating their vehicle as a modern electronic device. But the European car companies are still stuck in the mid 20th century and make the opposite branch cut. The rest of European industry is the same. You can probably say the same about GM or Ford, and I'd extend this to companies that sell hardware products in general. In the US too,…

Post by mixmastamyk » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 4:40 AM UTC

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #65

mixmastamyk wrote: post #4

I don't want any of this in a car. I want analog/tactile nobs, zero connectivity, and at most a power cable and holder to plug in a smart phone. Anyone left that provides this?

It’s like trying to find a cathode ray tube TV anymore: technically possible to produce, but economically infeasible in terms of costs. Chips are just cheaper than going analogue, even with the current shortages.

Post by dmitriid » Sun, Sep 04, 2022, 4:45 AM UTC

geodel wrote: post #47

chrisseaton wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Five separate companies cannot be described as having a meaningful monopoly between them. And there are hundreds of companies that pay at that level in the US, not just FAANG. Reality is European workers are under-paid, not US workers over-paid. Also curious what you think is different in Australia? Are software salaries there like in the US and above somewhere like London?

The question is why and how. There is no point is arguing "low" European salaries unless someone shows European companies are more profitable and they save a nice chunk of money by paying less to S/w engineers. Not very familiar with Australia. But thinking that high paying company like Atlassian which produces a very crappy software which I unfortunately deal daily. To me it shows high pay does not guarantee good qu…