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Re: Jetbrains Space

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Post by scombridae »

chrisseaton wrote: post #39
ilovecaching wrote: post #37

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> JetBrains are going to lobby for a law preventing local development? You think this is hyperbole, but companies lobby for unfair and anti-consumer, anti-privacy laws all the time. You live in a world with a weekend and reasonable working conditions because workers banded together and fought against corporations to buy those things for you. Don’t be naive. Corporations do what is best for their bottom line. > tellin…

This is way off the deep end as a response to a company offering a tool that nobody has to use if they don’t want to. > I am explaining to you why it’s in your own self interest That’s for your opinion of my own interests. JetBrains don’t tell me what I should do, or tell me that I don’t know my own interests, or make moral judgements against me, only people like you do that.

If we, the discerning consumer, could just take and toss the flyer being thrust into our faces by the picketer outside the Amazon warehouse (or the free software movement's equivalent), the world and HN would be a less acrimonious place.

Re: Jetbrains Space

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Post by skinnymuch »

severino wrote: post #54
jen20 wrote: post #48

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If you think that Amazon are reading customer data, you are utterly crazy. Privacy is multi dimensional. If the US government wants access to your stuff, all the EU hosting in the world is not going to stop them.

I don't think I said Amazon is, or isn't, reading customer data. Nobody knows. As an EU citizen, I just prefer my data to be handed by an European company inside an European country, as I wouldn't want my data to be in China, handed by Baidu, if I was an American citizen.

Why would the China thing matter? Having the NSA etc have data on me is no good. I am American. I have nothing to do with China. The country will never matter personally to me or my life.

Re: Jetbrains Space

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Post by pjmlp »

mdaniel wrote: post #75
pjmlp wrote: post #69

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JetBrains products are the only Java IDE that doesn't support JNI debugging and development, they rather sell two licenses. Android Studio supports that use case, because Google has gotten so bad feedback from leaving NDK users stranded, that they eventually got an agreement to have Clion plugins as part of Studio.

> they eventually got an agreement to have Clion plugins as part of Studio. Wow, that sounds huge given that as a paying "all you can eat" user I don't believe that I can even install the CLion plugins. Do you happen to have a link talking about that deal?

One of many,

https://intellij-support.jetbrains.com/hc/en-us/community/po...

Enjoy the JetBrains answer.

Re: Jetbrains Space

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Post by zoomzoom »

badloginagain wrote: post #53
wiradikusuma wrote: post #36

We use Space due to GitLab's recent pricing changes. We like: - free git hosting - free slack-like with sub-thread - generous CI/CD - built-in issue tracker - built-in wiki - very snappy - has mobile app We don't like: - CI/CD script uses Kotlin DSL, feels "heavy". - Issue tracker very basic, we end up using YouTrack. Still don't know how to integrate it lol. - One project can have multiple repos, but they all share…

Feels like there's a big race to be the all-in-one everything tool for everything. It's Gitlabs whole schtick, GitHub is moving in that direction, now "also Jetbrains". IMO I think something like Jetbrains should be leaning into integration, not all-in-one. Connective tissue last longer than walled garden.

IMO it’s also about choosing the right things to integrate vs. build. I agree that with Space in particular, the choice of what they integrate vs. build does not make sense for maximizing developer experience and value. At Coherence (withcoherence.com // I’m a cofounder) we are also building a more integrated set of tools for building software, but we don’t feel that GitHub and Slack or JIRA/Asana/linear are the tools to bite off, or that the world needs yet another CI syntax and hosting platform. Those are all great places to choose integration with existing popular tools. We do agree with the Space product thesis in that the Cloud IDE is a central piece of the next generation platform - we just think that tying it deeply to the deployment and cloud infrastructure workflows provides the most developer value.

Of course, we’re huge fans of JetBrains products, and them and the other companies mentioned above have so much credibility and such vast resources that they are going to deliver widely-used and powerful products. We hope to integrate with them where it makes sense!

If you are curious to learn about about Coherence, please check out our free beta at the link above or feel free to reach out to hn@withcoherence.com… We appreciate any and all feedback from the HN community.

Re: Jetbrains Space

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Post by denimnerd42 »

mdaniel wrote: post #71
number6 wrote: post #68

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I recently bought the Professional Edition of Pycharm after using it for years. The pro features are nice but nothing I missed. Definitely not Crippleware

I also forgot to include "remote executors" in that list for shops that use docker or similar machine learning setups; I can imagine that's a non-trivial market for PyCharm Pro

vs code could always go this way in the future too. some of their most popular features are closed sourced freeware. they probably would never directly charge but it definitely violates the open source spirit when the guts of your IDE are closed off

Re: Jetbrains Space

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Post by number6 »

denimnerd42 wrote: post #85
mdaniel wrote: post #71

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I also forgot to include "remote executors" in that list for shops that use docker or similar machine learning setups; I can imagine that's a non-trivial market for PyCharm Pro

vs code could always go this way in the future too. some of their most popular features are closed sourced freeware. they probably would never directly charge but it definitely violates the open source spirit when the guts of your IDE are closed off

The out of the box experience of Pycharm is just amazing. Agreed you can do all this with VScodium or even Vim but it's all so much setup...

Re: Jetbrains Space

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Post by dagmx »

wiradikusuma wrote: post #36

We use Space due to GitLab's recent pricing changes. We like: - free git hosting - free slack-like with sub-thread - generous CI/CD - built-in issue tracker - built-in wiki - very snappy - has mobile app We don't like: - CI/CD script uses Kotlin DSL, feels "heavy". - Issue tracker very basic, we end up using YouTrack. Still don't know how to integrate it lol. - One project can have multiple repos, but they all share…

Personally I’d take the Kotlin setup over writing Groovy for Jenkins. God I hate configuring Jenkins for CI.

Re: Jetbrains Space

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Post by lumost »

Curious what folks use for "all-in-one" development? I'm increasingly finding that I don't have the time/inclination to learn yet another tool for getting basic work done. I've loved working with AWS copilot, and I want to use something like space - but curious what folks have found.

Re: Jetbrains Space

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Post by prattmic »

mdaniel wrote: post #61
prattmic wrote: post #32

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I’m not familiar with Upsource, but what you describe sounds somewhat like the Gerrit review process. Each commit is reviewed individually, but sending multiple dependent commits for review is supported as well. It is technically possible for a coworker to build on top of your unsubmitted changes (by checking out your commits and adding more on top). However this process gets somewhat painful if the coworker updates…

I played with Upsource back when it was their "static-analysis in the cloud," and it actually was cool, but holy hell it was a beast to get up and running, and (just like Qodana that they're trying now) the static analysis was(is?) indescribably hard to configure correctly to get meaningful results I've heard great things about Gerrit, but it also seems like one of those "strongly opinionated, mailing-list based" rev…

Gerrit is pretty strongly opinionated, but it is not mailing-list based. Review notifications are sent via email, but otherwise everything needs to be done via the web UI (or other tool using the API).
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