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Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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“Woke” or accused of being so? There are plenty of movies out there that have been criticised for being too ”liberal leaning”. “Woke” is a rather recent term. Django unchained and Black Panther are two relatively recent movies accused of being “woke”. Both were resounding successes.

Neither of those movies are considered Woke, really.

Memories are short. Both were criticised for being woke, especially Black Panther, which I distinctively remember being both lauded and lambasted for the same reason.

I sense though that most people who parrot the "go woke go broke" narrative, focus only on those that have done badly in the box office.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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If I exclude the credits both episodes are almost exactly 60 minutes long. And the credits are ~5 minutes or so, so the displayed runtime is 1 hour and a few minutes. I have no idea where you get the 90 minutes from, that is simply not true. I have watched both Rings of Power and The House of the Dragon, and both are essentially setting up the story in the first two episodes. There is plot in those episodes of course…

> have no idea where you get the 90 minutes from >> but having the first two (allegedly: haven't seen it myself) Not watching something that you critique, and instead basing it on what you saw on Reddit, HN or YouTube, seems de rigueur these days. I did watch it. Enjoyed it. And will hold my final opinion until I've seen the last episode.

> Not watching something that you critique, and instead basing it on what you saw on Reddit, HN or YouTube, seems de rigueur these days.

Movie and television reviews have been around for decades. There are only so many hours in a day/week, and everyone has to decide how to spend their finite amount of time, so "pre-judging" a show by early episodes is nothing new. But if you want to try to watch everything as a completionist, start to finish, go right ahead.

But as the GP of this sub-thread, I'm was not so much "critiquing" and simply observing that there's a lot ways for people to spend their time, so if a show "wastes" 2 out of 8 episodes with a lot of what folks consider non-plot, then why should I spend my time watching it?

Again, I haven't watched it, and I'll wait until the season is over and see what the consensus is after the full season. But even if it does turn out to be good as whole, why did the show runners seemingly not do much with the plot for a quarter of the season?

The Expanse took about four episodes to really 'set' the universe, but even the first two episodes had quite a bit that happened ("Remember the Cant!").

How does a show producer worth their salt not know that you have to give juicy bits early in a show's run?

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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> The fairy is pale white not because she is a white person, but because she's pure. Right, because of all of parts of the story that have been changed, _this_ is the part that must be kept - using white skin to equate to purity. Do you agree that in our modern diverse society a black woman can be used to represent "purity"? Because if you do, then surly we can keep the author's original intent without tying it to sk…

> Right, because of all of parts of the story that have been changed, _this_ is the part that must be kept - using white skin to equate to purity. And maybe the blue hair too, given she's named after her blue hair. > Do you agree that in our modern diverse society a black woman can be used to represent "purity"? Do you agree that for white here we mean white the colour, not the pink skin tone, which is inhuman? I am…

It seems pretty telling that you didn't actually answer what should have been a simple question.

> And maybe the blue hair too, given she's named after her blue hair.

So then... you agree? White skin representing purity is an aspect that _has_ to be kept, even when so many parts of the actual story have been changed and we've had ~140 years of society in-between?

> Do you agree that for white here we mean white the colour, not the pink skin tone, which is inhuman?

Ok, so is the portrayal in the 1940's Disney Pinocchio equally as outlandish considering she's just a white woman with blond hair? Would you be reacting the same way if they cast a white woman in the role?

And to that point, isn't the new movie intended as a remake of the Disney version, not the original, in which case the blue fairy already didn't have blue hair?

> Why take an 1883 Italian book to show a black fairy?

Because people like the Disney version of the story?

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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I think it just comes down to a money making tactic of making the movie/show available to the widest audience available to increase revenue. In my view it is sad, and basically creates more dull and less interesting cinema. I've been wanting a good HALO movie since the game was released... but I doubt I'll ever get it.

Do these movies make money though? It seems to me that all these large corporations are more concerned with following ESG than with their own customers. What happens if you don’t follow “the message” we saw with Tesla some months ago.

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Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Watched only the first episode of Dragons, but I am not convinced. What is the point of this show? We know that the real fight between dead and living is happening 200 years later. We know that all of the dragons will be dead at some point. The characters itself are pretty boring, compared to what Thrones had to offer. It is technically well made, but it is boring.

For me, I like the political intrigue. It's also a reminder that the quest for power is never ending, and even when one wins, it's never lasting. But, to your point, it's not that dissimilar from other quest for power dramas. I told a friend the new GoT is a bit like Succession with dragons. The quest for power is part of the human condition, which is why I think so many enjoy the stories in whatever form they are to…

> For me, I like the political intrigue.

Have you watched The Expanse? If you like faction-y stuff, it's worth checking out.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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I think GP is not arguing his case well, especially not to Americans, who come with a preset cluster of expectations and arcane protocols to signal that we "get it". And, sure, anti-Black racism might be his prime motivation. But, just assuming it's so, when someone questions American appropriation of his own culture's literary traditions is ... it's frankly imperialist. "Americans agree: Italian who questions Americ…

The only part of the depiction he’s complaining about is race, though.

Dunno. Ask. Listen. Be humble.

Have a hypothesis and then do your best to falsify that. Give him all of the charity he needs to refute your guess that he's a bigot.

"So you say that there is a convention in Italian literature of depicting other-worldly beings as having freakishly white skin. Would you be ok with the Pinocchio reboot if the same African-descended actress portrayed the fairy, but were instead made up with freakishly white skin?"

If he doesn't refute your generous chances, then guess what? You found a bigot. Congratulations.

If everyone were more parsimonious about it, calling someone a racist or white supremacist or a Nazi would actually have some meaning again. At this point it's just coming to mean "This person disagrees with me and I don't like it".

Remember, these depictions are intended to be immersive. If some element reminds the watcher that they are watching a story, and they find it difficult to suspend their disbelief, they're not going to like it. That could mean an actor with clearly incorrect ancestry for the role.

For example, in the real world, a rural village of people whose ancestors have been in the same region for hundreds or thousands of years are going to look a lot alike. This is why Finns do not look like Khoisan. Everyone knows this. No one has a problem with this.

If your fantasy setting has human beings (or humanoid beings) living for generations together in a small rural village, and you just throw a bunch of different real-world ancestries in there, a Khoisan burgher and a Finnish tavern keeper, that's going to need some kind of explanation. Highlighting that as a problem isn't automagically racist. Maybe it's "magic world" and people there just have that kind of reproductive variability. Cool. Whatever it is, it needs a reason. But without that, it comes off as immersion-disrupting tokenism.

So, no, I don't think "focusing on race" is an automatic signifier of racism.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Well, we live in the age where the story hardly matters. I saw Top Gun the other day, and was shocked at how bad it was. The aerial stuff was superb, but everything else looked so amateurish. Acting was hideous, the story was so predictable and boring there was hardly any substance to the film. And yet it got an 8,5 rating at imdb.

Go watch the original, it’s weapons grade cheese.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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>Another example is the new Disney's Pinocchio, were the Blue Fairy is portrait by a black woman. The problem is not that she is black of course. but that the original story is set in Italy, Tuscany, mid 1800, were no black woman was ever seen It’s quite clear that that is YOUR problem. It’s funny when people like yourself claim “I’m not X” while then clear laying the case. And for the récord, i hope you open up a ge…

Racism certainly plays a big part in the frequency of such complaints, but it nonetheless raises some important questions. Ultimately, nobody really, genuinely holds the opinion that an actor can be of any appearance for any role. There will always be exceptions that will break their immersion, because unlike with theatre there is the expectation that the movie is WYSIWYG. To give an extreme example, would you be com…

I was surprised to learn (about myself at least) that this isn't really true, when I saw the musical Hamilton. Of course, the characters also break out into song, etc.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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I wonder how well it would go down if someone made a show about slavery in USA with all of the black people being played by non-blacks... For inclusivity you know? Get some Asians there. Maybe gender swap the historical big figures to boot and have them speak Chinese or something.

So the human race can, in real life, have black and white people, but the made up species of dwarfes and elves can’t?

How do black dwarves make sense? Their entire species lives deep underground and never sees the light of day, so they don't need to evolve to protect their skin from UV rays.

It's not like humans randomly became black or white, skin color is a result of thousands of years of evolution because of our surroundings. If you're going to apply the real world here, then you have to admit that black skinned dwarves make no sense from a biological point of view, since as we can see in the real world things tend to get paler and paler the less UV they're exposed to.

I don't know enough about Tolkien elves to comment on there being no black elves though

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Because from a economical business point: * You're getting old and your not spending as much money. * Getting 5$ from 100.000.000 people is better than getting 50$ 1.000.000 people. Especially if you can do it at lower costs. * Getting in new audiences to keep the franchise alive and healthy * And last but not least the average consumer is not interested in it being "true" to some kind of book or whatever. It has to…

1. Older audiences have more money and spend more of it. 2. There’s only 68 million Gen Z compared to 72 million Millenials. 3. You keep a franchise alive and healthy by protecting the core IP and making the fans happy not by alienating them and making terrible renditions of the story. If you do that then all you have left is a name that is increasingly associated with bad writing and acting and eventually it becomes…

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