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Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Woke seems to purposefully imply a bungled attempt at progressive characters so it's kind of tautological. But if we just mean progressive, then Zootopia.

Interesting. I did not perceive Zootopia as progressive ( tbh, I don't remember much of it except for the DMV skit ). Could you elaborate on that interpretation?

The entire premise of the movie is the conflict born if prejudice between prey animals, who are the majority, and predator animals, who are the minority. Throughout the movie, prey animals are depicted as being suspicious of predators, or even refuse them business. The main character is a idealistic cop, from a rural setting who moves to the city and encounters anti-predator bias. There is a panic after a series of predator animals appear to engage in random acts of violence. And the big reveal is that the panic is all manufactured by prey animals in government to maintain power.

I feel like a lot of Disney movies aren’t exactly subtle in their messaging these days, but even by that measure this one was about as hamfisted of an effort as they’ve ever made.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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So negative reviews has escalated very quickly. Bot or not, I normally trust IMDB ratings. Any movie with rating 6 and above is at least one time watchable. Any series having rating less than 6.5 is not worth. There could be exceptions off course. Are there any interesting incidence of purposefully negative reviews on imdb? One I know of is [1]. The Indian movie Gunday was bomb shelled by Bangladeshi community as some historical reference was not proper.

[1] https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/t he-story-behind-the-worst-movie-on-imdb/

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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> Carnage of Asimov's Foundation is 7.4 The show is not faithful to the book but it has good production value, a fairly interesting story and is overall very watchable. The passing is sometimes questionable but 7.4 seems like a fair rating to me.

Not faithful? More like it presents exactly the opposite ideas. Why choose Foundation if you hate every concept that the books stand for?

The show is kinda OK if you ignore the book, I.e. for general public. Expensive, good CG, etc.

What does feel painful though is the wasted opportunity: chances are that Foundation will never get its Peter Jackson.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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My issue with the show has nothing to do with the “woke” stuff mentioned here. I don’t like it because none of the heroes are likable. All of them have some form of sticking it to the man and doing what they want as their story line. True heroes are self-sacrificial and reluctant. Contrast Galadriel who acts like a self righteous dickhead with Aragorn who was reluctant to accept his calling spent and three movies pro…

Don't you think that 2 episodes is a bit too little to judge the entire series like that? The show covers A LOT more time than LOtR did, there's plenty of space for character development. Galadriel was not exactly likeable when she participated in the first kinslaying, or when she ran away from the war of wrath.

> A LOT more time than LOtR did

they compressed 3 thousands years in a ~10 years story "so the mortal characters didn't have to die" (writers' words)

So no, there's not much time to cover.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Watched only the first episode of Dragons, but I am not convinced. What is the point of this show? We know that the real fight between dead and living is happening 200 years later. We know that all of the dragons will be dead at some point. The characters itself are pretty boring, compared to what Thrones had to offer. It is technically well made, but it is boring.

I disagree. Not every narrative has to be one over some apocalyptic threat. I actually prefer the more grounded (for fantasy I suppose) story over the zombie apocalypse-adjacent White Walker stuff.

If I want to watch a history lesson, I can do that, there are some great documentaries out there. Probably produced for less money. And I would actually learn something.

But of course, there are many interesting narratives that don't involve the apocalypse. The Wire has a great one. Bladerunner is superb. The recent Black Bird was captivating, too.

Dragons though? Just boring.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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People were up in arms before a single episode aired, because they saw a fictional species (dwarf) had dark skin. many of those people have now pivoted their arguments against the show to being about pacing, writing (note: I’m in no way implying this is you, I haven’t seen any LotR series opinions on HN) - but the racist stuff has already occurred

I wonder how well it would go down if someone made a show about slavery in USA with all of the black people being played by non-blacks... For inclusivity you know? Get some Asians there. Maybe gender swap the historical big figures to boot and have them speak Chinese or something.

So the human race can, in real life, have black and white people, but the made up species of dwarfes and elves can’t?

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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This is a very astute comment. We are living in some kind of Twilight Zone environment right now. Corporations purchase IP for decades-long, popular franchises, then deliberately alienate their core audience. Then they act as if all these people they just deliberately pissed off aren't real people. Words like "brigading" are a clever way to dehumanize your critics.

Applying Occam's razor, given that this process has repeated for years over multiple franchises, the conclusion is that the core audience is not who you think they are. Online commentary creates a strong visibility bias. Reddit is perhaps the most egregious example of this.

The evidence doesn't back you up here. The Rise of Skywalker made half as much money as The Force Awakens. Rey and Rose Tico merchandise didn't sell. Viewing figures for recent Disney Marvel TV shows have been extremely low. Star Trek Discovery can't be viewed in many countries because no network broadcasts it. Netflix's attempts at woke series tend to get cancelled after the first season. And so on. The poor performance of woke entertainment products is visible for all to see.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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My issue with the show has nothing to do with the “woke” stuff mentioned here. I don’t like it because none of the heroes are likable. All of them have some form of sticking it to the man and doing what they want as their story line. True heroes are self-sacrificial and reluctant. Contrast Galadriel who acts like a self righteous dickhead with Aragorn who was reluctant to accept his calling spent and three movies pro…

Name a „woke“ movie with likable characters. One. Its a contradiction in terms - you cannot be a spiritual scold or schoolmarm and mold a set of likable characters from this essence.

Define „woke“

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Applying Occam's razor, given that this process has repeated for years over multiple franchises, the conclusion is that the core audience is not who you think they are. Online commentary creates a strong visibility bias. Reddit is perhaps the most egregious example of this.

I don't see how it is not possible to make good product for both. That is the fans and general audience. Appeasing the later is pretty low bar. Instead it seems that shows are aimed at the vocal non-fans at social media.

The opportunity cost is there to prevent that, and the tastes of the fans don't always coincide with the general audience.
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