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Post by Ekaros »

Bakary wrote: post #200
Ekaros wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how it is not possible to make good product for both. That is the fans and general audience. Appeasing the later is pretty low bar. Instead it seems that shows are aimed at the vocal non-fans at social media.

The opportunity cost is there to prevent that, and the tastes of the fans don't always coincide with the general audience.

I don't think that is true. There is some complaining, but in general popular franchises are popular for reason. There likely were enough things that appealed already substantial audience. Just keep those in and adapt what has to be adapted for different medium.

I'm not saying make a product for only the fans. But stay honest to source or previous material.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by tarakat »

Ekaros wrote: post #178
smcl wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People were up in arms before a single episode aired, because they saw a fictional species (dwarf) had dark skin. many of those people have now pivoted their arguments against the show to being about pacing, writing (note: I’m in no way implying this is you, I haven’t seen any LotR series opinions on HN) - but the racist stuff has already occurred

I wonder how well it would go down if someone made a show about slavery in USA with all of the black people being played by non-blacks... For inclusivity you know? Get some Asians there. Maybe gender swap the historical big figures to boot and have them speak Chinese or something.

A better comparison would be Black Panther or Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon - fictional stories and worlds loosely inspired by real places, just like Middle Earth.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by bnralt »

farleykr wrote: post #61

My issue with the show has nothing to do with the “woke” stuff mentioned here. I don’t like it because none of the heroes are likable. All of them have some form of sticking it to the man and doing what they want as their story line. True heroes are self-sacrificial and reluctant. Contrast Galadriel who acts like a self righteous dickhead with Aragorn who was reluctant to accept his calling spent and three movies pro…

> All of them have some form of sticking it to the man and doing what they want as their story line. True heroes are self-sacrificial and reluctant. Contrast Galadriel who acts like a self righteous dickhead

This seems to be a recurring problem in a lot of media these days. Protagonists who are just self-righteous jerks who both lecture others about how they need to act and pretend they're above any rules themselves. If this was the start of a character arc, fine, but a lot of the times these shows act as if these characters are right and that others should appreciate their toxic personalities.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by [deleted] »

farleykr wrote: post #61

My issue with the show has nothing to do with the “woke” stuff mentioned here. I don’t like it because none of the heroes are likable. All of them have some form of sticking it to the man and doing what they want as their story line. True heroes are self-sacrificial and reluctant. Contrast Galadriel who acts like a self righteous dickhead with Aragorn who was reluctant to accept his calling spent and three movies pro…

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Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by keepper »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #167
farleykr wrote: post #61

My issue with the show has nothing to do with the “woke” stuff mentioned here. I don’t like it because none of the heroes are likable. All of them have some form of sticking it to the man and doing what they want as their story line. True heroes are self-sacrificial and reluctant. Contrast Galadriel who acts like a self righteous dickhead with Aragorn who was reluctant to accept his calling spent and three movies pro…

> Contrast Galadriel who acts like a self righteous dickhead with Aragorn who was reluctant to accept his calling spent and three movies proving himself to be worthy of honor and love You mean three books, right? The difference here is that Aragorn was written by Tolkien, this show wasn't and has completely betrayed the original material. Race or gender swaps are not a big issue, but they become one if the purpose is…

>Another example is the new Disney's Pinocchio, were the Blue Fairy is portrait by a black woman. The problem is not that she is black of course. but that the original story is set in Italy, Tuscany, mid 1800, were no black woman was ever seen

It’s quite clear that that is YOUR problem. It’s funny when people like yourself claim “I’m not X” while then clear laying the case.

And for the récord, i hope you open up a geography book. There’s been black people in Italy for pretty much all it’s history. You may want to also read a few history books. (Black moors, Alessandro de' Medici, etc )

Also, can people just chill with this racist crap. It’s freaking art, up to interpretation. An actor can be of any race or gender. Get over it.

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Post by wodenokoto »

sofixa wrote: post #91
fredski42 wrote: post #5

Ah. Didn’t know IMDB was owned by Amazon. Put’s all ratings on Prime in a different perspective.

> Didn’t know IMDB was owned by Amazon Yep. That's what enables Prime Video's X-Ray where you can see details about the actors and music of a particular scene while watching, and what also makes it impossible for competitors such as Netflix to have a similar feature. If IMDB were separate, the data would probably be accessible to anyone.

C-more use IMDb ratings in their streaming app. So it is possible for competitors to buy access to this data.

I also think that minute to minute music and actor info is not sourced from IMDb. And I’d be surprised if Netflix couldn’t at least to it for their own properties.

I think there is a fundamental difference in how the two services go about things. On Netflix it can be quite the challenge to even see cast and director and it is difficult to browse by such categories. Netflix sees themselves as the purveyor of advanced recommendations.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by account-5 »

simonh wrote: post #159
account-5 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I managed 2 episodes of Amazon's butchering of the WoT series and judged it to be absolutely crap.

WIT was genuinely awful, no argument there. I just think while ROP isn’t everything I’d have wished for, it’s nowhere near as unwatchable as all that.

I've watched one episode of TRoP and don't mind it. I attempted long ago to read the silmarillon but got bored so I've no vested interest in the book/base material.

I dont care whether a white character in a book or comic is played by a black/brown person, or the other way round really.

But I am baffled by the reactions they get. You always get the same reaction, people with the same coloured skin as the fictional character complain while the people of the same coloured skin as the actor don't see a problem.

But it does only seem to be racist for white people to complain about white fictional characters not being played by white actors, and racist for white actors to play non-white fictional characters. (I'm not talking about stuff like blackface here)

Admittedly I have limited knowledge about why this is the case, and obviously risk being labelled a racist for stating these observations. But genuinely I'm confused by it all.

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Post by jltsiren »

farleykr wrote: post #61

My issue with the show has nothing to do with the “woke” stuff mentioned here. I don’t like it because none of the heroes are likable. All of them have some form of sticking it to the man and doing what they want as their story line. True heroes are self-sacrificial and reluctant. Contrast Galadriel who acts like a self righteous dickhead with Aragorn who was reluctant to accept his calling spent and three movies pro…

That's the Second Age for you. None of the major characters is supposed to be likable, except maybe Elendil. This is not a story about heroism and self-sacrifice. It's a story where powerful people do stupid things out of pride, great empires fall, and almost everyone dies.

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Post by vermilingua »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #181
vermilingua wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean one book, right? /s

originally it was three, published over the span of ~1 year. 29 July 1954 (The Fellowship of the Ring) 11 November 1954 (The Two Towers) 20 October 1955 (The Return of the King)

Only because his publisher forced him to split it up
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