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US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by jimmySixDOF »

sangnoir wrote: post #572
SpelingBeeChamp wrote: post #569

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> user's installed computing power allowance given for civilian purposes I don't know what this means. Would you explain?

ITAR has limits on processing power that can be exported: supercomputers have "dual use" and can be used for military applications, such as simulating nuclear explosions or designing hypersonic weaponry, e.t.c. Parent poster likely worked for a US company that was doing a customer upgrade abroad (i.e. exporting US technology) that would have tipped the cluster compute capacity above the permissible limits, unless som…

Correct.

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

Bakary wrote: post #616
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #585

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The US used to agree with Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan, back when the US recognized the Republic of China as the government of China. The US switched its recognition of who represents China from the ROC to the People's Republic of China. Unless the US has now decided that China's sovereign territory has changed, that implies recognition of Taiwan as part of the PRC. This is also the reason why the US simultaneousl…

If hundreds of millions care about it, it would make more sense for the government to keep it as a focal point for the population during economic crises instead of actually invading it.

If the US takes steps to formally recognize Taiwan, it will be politically impossible for the Chinese government not to react extremely forcefully.

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Post by another_story »

trasz wrote: post #581
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It's impossible to quantify oppressive. We don't know much about Chinese labor camps or re-education centers. Even if we did, how do you measure up acts done in these places against one another? Is making license plates for pennies in the US better or worse than making t-shirts in Xinjiang? Is being wrongfully thrown in prison due to a prejudice judge seeing your only skin color worse than being thrown into prison fo…

I agree it’s hard to quantify, and I agree US prisons aren’t really worse than Chinese ones. Rather, I believe they are roughly the same. Thus, condemning out one without even mentioning the other is simply dishonest. Especially when the condemning side is the competing perpetrator, as is usually the case with anti-Chinese propaganda.

How can you say they are the same when we have so little information on the prisons in China?

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Post by eunos »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #617
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If UN forces with much better armaments did not deter PVA crossing the Yalu River, I don't think this will

Got any references from the past 70 years?

Sino-{Soviet|Indian|Vietnam} conflict

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Post by trasz »

another_story wrote: post #623
trasz wrote: post #581

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I agree it’s hard to quantify, and I agree US prisons aren’t really worse than Chinese ones. Rather, I believe they are roughly the same. Thus, condemning out one without even mentioning the other is simply dishonest. Especially when the condemning side is the competing perpetrator, as is usually the case with anti-Chinese propaganda.

How can you say they are the same when we have so little information on the prisons in China?

I’m assuming the claims from anti-Chinese propaganda - Zenz et al - are true. It’s still not worse from what’s happening in US.

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Post by sigmoid10 »

voxadam wrote: post #423
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I'll eat a hat if any major league manager in the US who could decide this ever goes to prison. To be clear, I'd celebrate it, but the mortgage crisis showed that laws and punishment hardly work on top level execs.

April 28, 2022 - Businessman Sentenced to One Year Imprisonment for ITAR Brokering Violations[0] This is just the first of many ITAR violation stories that I found when doing a quick search. ITAR violations are regularly enforced. [0] https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/businessman-sentenced-to-o...

Notice that it was just the broker who got sentenced here. He facilitated the trade, but he's certainly not the guy who made the decisions. Same as with the Diesel scandal: VW blamed it all on some middle-management engineer who was supposedly "acting alone." Poor schmuck got seven years in the US and when he was released he got deported to Germany and locked up for another year. I'll even double down right now and say that despite the investigation going against the former VW CEO, he'll never spend a day in prison. The same would hold with NVIDIA or any other major corp.

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Post by Bakary »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #622
Bakary wrote: post #616

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If hundreds of millions care about it, it would make more sense for the government to keep it as a focal point for the population during economic crises instead of actually invading it.

If the US takes steps to formally recognize Taiwan, it will be politically impossible for the Chinese government not to react extremely forcefully.

I agree. I just think it's a missed opportunity for the government to keep the status quo indefinitely.

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Post by woevdbz »

nomel wrote: post #612
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I don't think so. It's a little too convenient for the West to think this way, so there's a duty of skepticism. I think you can look at military stuff (fighter jets, spacecrafts, aircraft carriers), or civilian stuff like EVs, 5G network equipment, and see a clear ability to develop competitive and innovative indigenous technology when the sustained political will is there. It's bootstrapped off of imported platforms…

> fighter jets Eh, this, and probably others in your list (Nortel breach with 5G is a candidate), weren't really independently developed [1]: > When the Soviets refused to part with their Su-33 design secrets, China purchased an Su-33 prototype aircraft from Ukraine, dubbed the T-10K-3, and quickly set about reverse engineering it. > The J-20, ... America’s F-22 Raptor. Plans ... were stolen by a Chinese national nam…

They didn't start from scratch, for sure. But it has been copy and improve, not just let's make cheap copies lagging behind the original.
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