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US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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They can’t even get their own companies to restrict the use of their citizen’s data lol.

Allowing US companies to serve people relevant ads and allowing US companies to aid our number one adversary in developing the most potentially dangerous technology humans will every create are two very different things.

Convince me that mass surveillance in a genocidal police state is not one of the most potentially dangerous technologies humans will ever create.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Wars happen because each of the two sides think they can win. In this case, the US is obviously confident it can win. This one is easy to see in this scenario. China on the other hand questions the commitment of the US: “really, you’re going to go to war to protect Taiwan? It’s China! What do you care?”, and this could be true if geographic and geopolitical realities were different. But what the CCP somewhat and I th…

The US will win in a non-war scenario, by using its influence over the other countries and isolating China from the US's western allies. It's an easy choice and seemingly an easy win. A real military conflict with China near China's front door is another thing. I doubt anyone with some common sense should call that an easy win.

> The US will win in a non-war scenario, by using its influence over the other countries and isolating China from the US's western allies.

The US has lost a lot of their soft power, beginning with the Iraq war, but exploding during the 45th Presidency. Their failure to convince Germany to drop North Stream 2 is the best example of that loss - particularly the gang of senators which thought it would be a good idea to threaten a harbor with sanctions [1] was perceived as extremely rude here. And a lot of nominal allies are highly skeptical of how reliable an ally the US themselves are, given the very high likelihood of the Republicans getting obstructionist power again either this November or in two years and the lack of decent candidates on the Democrat side.

[1] https://www.dw.com/en/nord-stream-2-us-senators-threaten-ger...

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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> Under the Export Control Reform Act of 2018 (50 U.S.C. §§ 4801-4852) (ECRA), criminal penalties can include up to 20 years of imprisonment and up to $1 million in fines per violation, or both. I work in CPU design and I wouldn't risk it.

I'll eat a hat if any major league manager in the US who could decide this ever goes to prison. To be clear, I'd celebrate it, but the mortgage crisis showed that laws and punishment hardly work on top level execs.

April 28, 2022 - Businessman Sentenced to One Year Imprisonment for ITAR Brokering Violations[0]

This is just the first of many ITAR violation stories that I found when doing a quick search. ITAR violations are regularly enforced.

[0] https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/businessman-sentenced-to-o...

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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I guess I don't understand what the point is? A100s are extremely powerful and generally used for ML or mining, right? But mining is already illegal in China and if the PRC wants to do military AI, I'm sure they're capable of building their own super computer without A100s. This isn't banning weaponized ai. It just seems like a minor annoyance to a couple of China's bigger companies who will quickly produce alternati…

An A100 is MSRP ~$32000 and mines ether at less than 3X the rate of a $700 3080.

Is there some fancy new coin out there that people mine with Tesla GPUs?

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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There are all kinds of things subject to export restrictions: https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/regulations/export-adminis... For example, high resolution analog to digital converters have restrictions. In the past strong cryptography even had restrictions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_th... Even travel for US citizens was restricted. I have relatives who were in the semiconductor and aer…

I knew about the previous cryptography restrictions, but I also knew that the Supreme Court overruled them by ruling (as I understand it) that “code is speech”. I’ll have to check out the other links though

Not the Supreme Court, the Ninth Circuit in a subsequently-withdrawn opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States

(Because the opinion was withdrawn, it's "persuasive" but not "binding".)

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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No NATO member even recognizes Taiwan as a sovereign country, going from that to NATO membership seems... quite the leap.

Taiwan doesn’t even see itself as a independent, the government there still claims all of (Qing) China.

That's only true if you take at face value an official lie that absolutely EVERYONE understands to be a lie, as well as understands that everyone else knows it's a lie.

That's like saying North Korea is a democracy because everyone calls it the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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They cannot manufacture such advanced chip even if they have circuit design.

Not only that, by the time they figure how to do it the rest of the world will have moved on by at least 2 generations. SMIC has announced 14nm (but shipments in volume aren't clear), TSMC will have 5nm chips shipping in volume by the end of the month.

how does that matter? SMIC had the 7nm news recently, not sure about that but even if it is 14nm, can't they throw money on the problem and get something to start with?

they don't have to achieve A100 levels in the first go, even Rpi level chips should be enough to give them experience

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Can they stop reselling into those countries from countries where it is legal to export to? I am curious how it's effective unless the US has negotiated with every legal export market not to resell. Or are they willing to concede that but assume anything high enough volume to worry about couldn't work through that kind of channel?

And how far can they stop the re-selling? Let's just say the US stops direct sales, but the GPUs are sold to country X who is a close ally of the US, who sells it to Y who is not that big of an ally to the US who in turns sells the GPUs to China. This could go on and on.

That's what's actually going now with oil-related sales over much of the Middle East and Southern Europe.

Supposedly Greek ship owners are making a killing transporting the oil stuff and helping it change enough hands so that it can be bought from inside the countries that have formally sanctioned Russia. Physically harder to do that with gas, hence why we have the current crisis.

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For people having doubts regarding Taiwan's semiconductor industry, I present you a case in point: Ukraine's grain and other sectors. The only way to stop industry is militarily. Considering the expectation for US to step in and prevent the blockade, I doubt we'll see a full stop, even if disruptions will be felt worldwide. Overall, when thinking about potential war, I think my country is a much better example to rat…

>up to 100k civilian casualties

Sounds like a blatant propaganda BS for a city with 400k population in regular times. A significant portion of population has left the city before fighting reached it and the Russian army has absolutely no incentives to intentionally kill one the most loyal (to them) populations.

Well, it's technically true, since any number between 0 and 100k will fit.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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They can’t even get their own companies to restrict the use of their citizen’s data lol.

They can, but don't. Applying specific restrictions and switching from small fines to business-continuity-affecting rulings would solve the issue very quickly.

Or they don't because they can't? Those that would be inclined would never receive the funds and media support needed to get elected.
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