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Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Ethnically they’re the same group of Semitic peoples that have lived in Canaanite land since the late Neolithic

Can you show some data on that? Because a huge amount of the people there are from Western and Central Europe or the former Soviet Union. Those people might have some traces ethnically with people who were still there, but they lived away from there for almost 2000 years.

Then are you saying that if Israel displaces all of the currently present Palestinians and then holds on to the land for 1400-2000 years, they become the rightful owners of that land?

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Your comment is so full of hatred I don’t think that one can argue with you. A Zionist is one who wanted to go back to the land of Israel. There’s nothing wrong with it, yet you use it pejoratively. It’s not a racist ideology to install a server. It was not their job or call to protest a corporate decision. Any company would fire an employee for open insubordination. Israel treats Palestinians actually quite well for…

> Israel treats Palestinians actually quite well for being foreigners Please, I'd love to hear you try and explain this one.

What other countries provide free healthcare, food, aid to foreign nationals?

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Can you show some data on that? Because a huge amount of the people there are from Western and Central Europe or the former Soviet Union. Those people might have some traces ethnically with people who were still there, but they lived away from there for almost 2000 years.

Then are you saying that if Israel displaces all of the currently present Palestinians and then holds on to the land for 1400-2000 years, they become the rightful owners of that land?

Yes. If in 4000 a bunch of Palestinians show up that used to live in China and start murdering and oppressing people because of what happened to their ancestors I would be against it.

Specially when essentially all of these Palestinians that lived in China had no intention or interest in ever going back to Palestine.

And then one day a dude shows up, and says, "Hey one could argue based on some not very historical evidence that X place is our homeland, so lets just go there and steal that land".

Just as if a bunch of British people had colonized East Africa with the idea of reconquering their homeland.

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Can you show some data on that? Because a huge amount of the people there are from Western and Central Europe or the former Soviet Union. Those people might have some traces ethnically with people who were still there, but they lived away from there for almost 2000 years.

The best example are the Mizrahi, who never left Palestine. The Israelites go back to the Bronze Age. They are from a couple of Semitic cities in the Canaanite levant. The same group that spawned phonecians and a bunch of other Mediterranean peoples who colonized much of northern africa and Southern Europe in addition to Anatolia

I certainty don't deny (as some people do) that there were no Jews anymore in Ottoman Palestine.

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> I found that extremely disturbing that archaic religious beliefs would influence foreign policies Why? As a former atheist, I’ve come to the realization that the alternative—at least at scale—to traditional religion isn’t people being hyper rational engineers. It’s different and less well established unprovable and illogical beliefs. Have you read some of the social “science” stuff that gets published? All the “woo…

> As a former atheist Mind if I ask what your path was? I called myself an agnostic starting at about age 12 (and was a doubter from age 5), but eventually worked my way around to concluding that something was going on. Some of my musings on that subject: - https://www.questioningchristian.com/2006/06/metanarratives_... - https://www.questioningchristian.com/2005/05/why_i_call_myse...

These are interesting reads, thank you. I was a professed atheist until my mid 20s, but I’m not sure I ever fully believed my lack of belief. Then when I had kids the feeling became kind of undeniable. Separately, I had I come to admire Christianity. Coming from a part of the world with generational conflict I think the teaching to live like a lamb turn the other cheek is profound. Secular morality diverges quite a bit on that point.

EDIT: There is a lot of stuff in the second one that applies to me. My wife’s faith is very strong. I’m not sure whether I adapted to her beliefs, or as someone raised in an extremely secular setting she made me comfortable allowing myself to believe things that I already felt.

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I'm seeing several comments here demonstrating that some people do not understand the long conflict between Palestine and Israel. That's too bad, but understandable, as the United States government in particular has been uniquely supportive of Israel and has defended its interest. Public criticism has been easily squashed by dismissing anything negative regarding Israel's policies as anti-Semitic. There's a great doc…

You're being downvoted because you're not making the argument here. "Read my book" or "Watch my film" isn't an effective answer to the question of why you'd think a state where Jews and Arabs and Europeans have equal rights is an apartheid state.

It's a complex topic that challenges people's long-held beliefs. I'm under no illusions that a pithy comment on HN is going to change minds. But I hope that if a few people are open to engaging with a serious, long-form presentation on the issue, maybe some people will come away with new ideas.

But you're sharing PragerU videos, so it's painfully clear where you side on this issue and that you are unlikely to seriously consider a different perspective. Have a nice day.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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> they're advocating for a one-state solution so that inhabitants of Palestine/Israel can get democratic representation & equal rights. Again, not a crazy take. This is in fact a crazy take. It’s not quite advocating a shared state for Nazis and Jews level of crazy but it’s certainly getting there. Palestinian nationalism is based on being anti-Israel in much the same way anti-colonial or anti-metropolitan nationalis…

Well Protestant and Catholics learned to live together in Germany. Took 30 years but they got there. I do not see why not Palestinians and Jewish can’t do the same.

Were I a Jew or a Palestinian I would personally prefer not to live in a battleground for 30 years. Losing a third of the population also sounds bad. If your argument for one state is that it would be at worst as bad as the 30 Years War I’ll take it as an argument against one state.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Why do you think theology protects against woo? It seems like atheism might be correlated with false beliefs around social studies, but probably anti-correlated around false beliefs like "trump still the election".

Theology is the original "woo" stuff, that "protects" us from the so called modern woo stuff like gay marriage.

It’s unlikely that taboos against homosexuality arise from “theology,” given that they exist across societies with starkly different religious traditions. I suspect it has more to do with the importance of biological reproduction in subsistence agriculture societies. My dad grew up in a village in Bangladesh and observed that if you didn’t have kids you died, not even when you’re old and can’t work, but even earlier because you need them for labor. When he was a kid, 1 out of 4 children died by age 5, so there wasn’t exactly a surplus to go around.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Very brave of her to stand up and say this. She sets an example, and more should follow.

As long as you are willing to face the consequences (being fired) certainly.

Stalin would agree, there is a pervasive misunderstanding that he was against free speech - in reality, he was against speaking freely and living after speaking.

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It's called diplomacy. He was engaged in peace negotiations when he called those people friends (he has since said that he probably shouldnt have said it). It clearly wasnt racism that motivated him to say "friends" it was obviously a desire for peace. Most of his more intelligent detractors understood the context but were avowedly pro war - for them that actually made it worse. Isaac Herzog's abhorrent views had no…

Was rate limited at the time, but edit-replied above - ICYMI: Corbyn also laid a wreath for one of the terrorists, presumably also in the pursuit of peace. Oddly Corbyn also advocated for the IRA and claims that was about peace too, but the people that negotiated Good Friday state he didn’t have anything to do with the NI peace process either. Adding to that: > A contingent from the UK Labour party even visited him t…

>The worst I've seen so far is someone saying Herzog thinks Palestinians fly planes into buildings

I guess youve never googled isaac herzog miscegenation.

It's a more useful example than most not because its necessarily his worsr remark but because it wasnt an offhand comment he later denied and because theres zero potential ambiguity about it being a racist belief.

>not wanting your children to marry outside your race is a fairly common view worldwide although rarely said in public in the UK.

Right. Racism is fairly common worldwide.

There is still a near complete overlap between people who preach antizionism and against racism (including antisemitism) and a willingness to let their daughter marry outside their race and people who will inevitably be accused of being antisemitic.

There is also almost a complete overlap between people who preach that this antizionism and antisemitism are equivalent and endorsement of racism - whether covert or overt.

I believe that this thread and the absolute unwavering commitment of everybody in it to the avoidance of condemming Isaac's remarks inadvertently underscores this...though Im still willing to be proven mistaken.

It's just as true for the centrist wing of the Labour party - e.g. when a group of them visited Israel to make a cringeworthy pledge of fealty to Isaac and were lauded for doing so.

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