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Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by panick21_ »

imchillyb wrote: post #113
EdwardDiego wrote: post #14

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Boycotting Israel gets your company in trouble with various state governments in the US, like no supplying services to the government, and in Arkansas, it gets even more viral in that people you supply services to are forbidden from supplying services to the government. My RH contract specifically forbade boycotting Israel, I'm sure for those reasons. And of course, I imagine that Israel has laws about doing business…

Israel exists because Israel as a nation state is a tiny ally-island in a sea of enemy-aggressors. Why do you think so many politicians, that claim atheism, are still in favor of our alliance with Israel? We need them there.

This claim is always so baffling to me. The strong relationship with Israel has only hurt the US.

In fact the best choice regarding Israel that the US has ever made is telling the Israeli and the British to stop being colonialist asshats in 1954.

The Israel relationship is the source of far more problems then it solves anything for the US in the middle east.

> sea of enemy-aggressors.

The amount of Israeli invasion of the nations around it, plus the constant bombing and invading of their airspace plus the constant assassinations and support for rebellions in those countries would question who the aggressor is.

Not to mention the constant and systematic reduction in the land that based on earlier agreements should belong to Palestinians.

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Post by nailer »

nebula8804 wrote: post #225
nailer wrote: post #216

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You're being downvoted because you're not making the argument here. "Read my book" or "Watch my film" isn't an effective answer to the question of why you'd think a state where Jews and Arabs and Europeans have equal rights is an apartheid state.

>isn't an effective answer to the question of why you'd think a state where Jews and Arabs and Europeans have equal rights is an apartheid state. You are acting in bad faith here as you know this is not effectively true (as many others have already pointed out with sources).

No - I have seen people in this thread compare people in Israel to people outside Israel. But the topic is that “Israel is an apartheid state” - and we can obviously compare the rights of Jews and Arabs within Israel. Here’s an example:

https://youtu.be/AcEL-NlxBk0

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by elzbardico »

panick21_ wrote: post #220
elzbardico wrote: post #97

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The US is a major ally of Israel. Israel is the ultimate pragmatic nation.

Israel is the ultimate pragmatic nation? You mean the religious police state that has illegal nuclear weapons and did its best to provoke an apocalyptic conflict between the US and Iran? The apartheid state that is dominated by far right extremist that are still living by a 19th century colonialist doctrine?

I didn't use pragmatics as a compliment.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by GurnBlandston »

SnowHill9902 wrote: post #128
ethotool wrote: post #116

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Your comment is so full of hatred I don’t think that one can argue with you. A Zionist is one who wanted to go back to the land of Israel. There’s nothing wrong with it, yet you use it pejoratively. It’s not a racist ideology to install a server. It was not their job or call to protest a corporate decision. Any company would fire an employee for open insubordination. Israel treats Palestinians actually quite well for…

> Israel treats Palestinians actually quite well for being foreigners

Please, I'd love to hear you try and explain this one.

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Post by dctoedt »

rayiner wrote: post #68
yodsanklai wrote: post #58

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> It's very very dumb legislation, and I think derives from a very odd facet of belief found in some American Protestant belief systems - that for Jesus to come back, the State of Israel has to exist. I remember reading Bill Clinton's biography. At some point, he mentioned that a pastor told him something along these lines, and that it was an important realisation for him. (I read that years ago, could be slightly wr…

> I found that extremely disturbing that archaic religious beliefs would influence foreign policies Why? As a former atheist, I’ve come to the realization that the alternative—at least at scale—to traditional religion isn’t people being hyper rational engineers. It’s different and less well established unprovable and illogical beliefs. Have you read some of the social “science” stuff that gets published? All the “woo…

> As a former atheist

Mind if I ask what your path was? I called myself an agnostic starting at about age 12 (and was a doubter from age 5), but eventually worked my way around to concluding that something was going on.

Some of my musings on that subject:

- https://www.questioningchristian.com/2006/06/metanarratives_...

- https://www.questioningchristian.com/2005/05/why_i_call_myse...

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by sigzero »

throwaway75 wrote: post #49
hourago wrote: post #8

> “Due to retaliation, a hostile environment, and illegal actions by the company, I cannot continue to work at Google and have no choice but to leave the company at the end of this week,” Ariel Koren said in a statement posted Tuesday to Medium. Many people is missing the point. "Retaliation" is illegal. > Google denied retaliation and the National Labor Relations Board found no wrongdoing after an investigation In m…

Is "activism" against the employer protected under anti-retaliation laws? I thought these laws protected employees for things like reporting workplace discrimination, harassment, being a witness in such an investigation, etc. Can you indulge in activism against your employer and claim that you need to be protected from retaliation if they fire you?

No. That would be absurd in my opinion.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by sigzero »

golergka wrote: post #177
ethotool wrote: post #154

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Sounds to me that you are very much anti-Palestinian. When Zionists say the land of Israel is for Jews only that’s racist, especially since it’s built on confiscated Palestinian lands with a full blown military occupation that’s ongoing. When that’s justified by people such as yourself then it becomes a racist ideology.

> Palestinian lands There's very intentional ambiguity in this wording, which obfuscates the reality. “Palestine” was a historical name given to this land after suppression of Jewish revolt, but there has been no state or nation of “Palestine” and no people who have been calling themselves “palestinians” — until Jews started building themselves a home in a sparsely populated and underdeveloped corner of Ottoman empir…

Most people either 1) do not know that or 2) actively ignore it.

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Post by kurupt213 »

panick21_ wrote: post #228
kurupt213 wrote: post #203

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Ethnically they’re the same group of Semitic peoples that have lived in Canaanite land since the late Neolithic

Can you show some data on that? Because a huge amount of the people there are from Western and Central Europe or the former Soviet Union. Those people might have some traces ethnically with people who were still there, but they lived away from there for almost 2000 years.

The best example are the Mizrahi, who never left Palestine.

The Israelites go back to the Bronze Age. They are from a couple of Semitic cities in the Canaanite levant. The same group that spawned phonecians and a bunch of other Mediterranean peoples who colonized much of northern africa and Southern Europe in addition to Anatolia

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Post by kurupt213 »

Adverblessly wrote: post #198
dfadsadsf wrote: post #139

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Many will argue that settler-colonialist state based on religion does not have automatic right to exist similar to how white Rhodesia or apartheid South Africa (which used to be big friend of Israel) did not have right to exist and do not exist anymore. What is also true is that jewish, muslim, christian and atheist/other religions living in current territory of Israel and Palestine have right to peacefully live in f…

> settler-colonialist state based on religion Are you referring to Jewish colonialists coming to British ruled Palestine in the early 20th century, Muslim colonialists conquering Byzantine ruled Palestina in the early 7th century, Roman colonialists that exiled Jews and renamed the area Palestina in the early 2nd century after previous conquest, Greeks, Persians, Babylonians, Assyrians or Egyptians? Or maybe how acco…

The Israelites are from a couple of the Canaanite cities. They conquered their neighbors who were also canaanites. Many of the cities focused worship on different gods in the Canaanite pantheon. The Israelites had gone to the extreme of denying all deities who weren’t the one they worshiped.
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