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Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by panick21_ » Thu, Sep 01, 2022, 7:05 PM UTC

numeromancer wrote: post #162

jollofricepeas wrote: post #72

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Whoa, I strongly disagree with this. As someone who attended an evangelical, fundamentalist Baptist church as a child (Hyles Anderson), it is very much their view as well as larger groups like Independent and Southern Baptists (the largest Protestant denomination in the United States) that the existence of the nation of Israel and support for it is a precursor for the second coming of Jesus and the fulfillment of God…

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Christian Zionists are a very import part of the Israel lobby and extend the power of that lobby in many places that it otherwise wouldn't be. Given how many left leaning Jewish people in the US have decreased their support for Israel, Christian Zionists give them a real ground support to the movement that is otherwise more dominated educated elites.

And depending on your definition of 'Zeal' the christian zionists often have more. A educated Neo-Conservative might be a strong Zionist but not will not come across as having Zeal, while a Baptist Christian Zionists might come of as pure Zeal.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by panick21_ » Thu, Sep 01, 2022, 7:08 PM UTC

bawolff wrote: post #53

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I grew up in an Evangelical church and I attend a Protestant church now (although not American) and the only place I've ever heard people claim that my fellow congregants believe that about Israel is online from people outside the church. I'm sure you'll be able to find _someone_ who believes it, but it is so weird to see people claiming something as a fact about your church that you've never encountered in nearly 40…

> What's infinitely more likely is that Christians feel a certain affinity towards Israel due to a shared Judeo-Christian heritage. What's really infinitely more likely is that israel and usa share some common enemies, and usa doesn't really have all that many geopolitical allies in the region to chose from. I don't know why everyone reaches for weird religious conspiracies when the obvious geopolitical explanation w…

The reality of course is that being so strongly interlinked with Israel is one of the major reasons why everybody in the region hates them. The Israel alliance is geopolitically harmful to the US.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by al_mandi » Thu, Sep 01, 2022, 7:14 PM UTC

idoubtit wrote: post #133

rgejman wrote: post #98

The problem from the perspective of many Jews (including myself) is that these kinds of protests and protestors tend to focus on Israel to the exclusion of any other state. Where is the protest of Google's relationships with dozens of other countries accused of major human rights violations? The double standard when it comes to Israel calls into question the motivation behind the protest and makes many Jews reasonabl…

The problem is that Israel is seen as a "friend state" and Israel claims to be a democracy. So we expect higher standards of ethics than most other countries. The other reason is that we (western countries) could have a strong influence to make the crimes stop. Of course, "evil states" like Russia or China are not expected to behave well. And anyway, we (western countries and western companies) don't have much influe…

> and Israel claims to be a democracy. So we expect higher standards of ethics

Just because a state is "democratic" does not mean it is ethical, and just because a state is not "democratic" does not mean that it is unethical. That being said, Israel is definitely a murderous regime and they're getting away with any atrocities they want.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by panick21_ » Thu, Sep 01, 2022, 7:17 PM UTC

kurupt213 wrote: post #70

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Boycotting Israel gets your company in trouble with various state governments in the US, like no supplying services to the government, and in Arkansas, it gets even more viral in that people you supply services to are forbidden from supplying services to the government. My RH contract specifically forbade boycotting Israel, I'm sure for those reasons. And of course, I imagine that Israel has laws about doing business…

Israel deserves to exist as much as any other country

The boycotts are not to destroy Israel as a country but to stop Israel colonialism and its virtual imprisonment of millions of people in Gaza plus its systematic exploitation and imprisonment of people in the West Bank.

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Post by nebula8804 » Thu, Sep 01, 2022, 7:19 PM UTC

nailer wrote: post #216

UtopiaPunk wrote: post #192

I'm seeing several comments here demonstrating that some people do not understand the long conflict between Palestine and Israel. That's too bad, but understandable, as the United States government in particular has been uniquely supportive of Israel and has defended its interest. Public criticism has been easily squashed by dismissing anything negative regarding Israel's policies as anti-Semitic. There's a great doc…

You're being downvoted because you're not making the argument here. "Read my book" or "Watch my film" isn't an effective answer to the question of why you'd think a state where Jews and Arabs and Europeans have equal rights is an apartheid state.

>isn't an effective answer to the question of why you'd think a state where Jews and Arabs and Europeans have equal rights is an apartheid state.

You are acting in bad faith here as you know this is not effectively true (as many others have already pointed out with sources).

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by panick21_ » Thu, Sep 01, 2022, 7:19 PM UTC

golergka wrote: post #123

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It absolutely does. It doesn't deserve to deny the existence of another country, Palestine, though.

Good thing that it doesn't. Palestine became a country with thanks to Israel and Oslo Accords for the first time in history.

That's a nice fiction to hold on to. The reality is that the West Bank is cut up into zones, its more like a lot of islands with some limited self governments (that are dominated and corrupted by Israel) with Israel controlling all internal travel and Israel is constantly taking more of the land step by step for 40 years.

If its a country, then its boarders are being moved step by step every year.

So it not really a country in any sense other then by a few people who want to claim Israel is not an apartheid state.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by panick21_ » Thu, Sep 01, 2022, 7:27 PM UTC

Adverblessly wrote: post #190

npc54321 wrote: post #130

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Cant they just stop killing each other? I dont believe in made up books saying "this is your promised land" I also dont believe in madeup books saying ",kill jews" Just stop landgrabbing and/or killing each other jeez. Defending Israel is such an NPC mentality, theres no good guys in that war they both commit atrocities.

> Just stop landgrabbing and/or killing each other jeez. Both sides think the land belongs to them as both sides inhabited the same land for hundreds* of years. Which side is doing the grabbing then turns into a judgement call. * - Going by Wikipedia, Muslims Arabs since ~600CE and some form of Israelis since ~1200BCE.

Both sides inhabited the land for hundreds of years is a nice principle.

The reality is that before the EXPLICITLY colonialist movement of Zionism, there was a small Jewish community there. A small amount of people compared to the overwhelmingly Muslim population.

The waste majority of current population has immigrated from Europe and the Soviet Union.

And of course because the Zionists know that they enacted a law that states that basically everybody who is even vaguely Jewish is free to live there and a lot of them are then settled in the West Bank.

At the same time the countless Muslims who actually lived there, in 1948 and their kids have no rights to return at all.

So according to the current Israeli law, a person who has hasn't grown up Jewish but has Jewish grand parent has a right to live their, but the children of the people displaced in 1948 don't.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by panick21_ » Thu, Sep 01, 2022, 7:28 PM UTC

kurupt213 wrote: post #203

Adverblessly wrote: post #190

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> Just stop landgrabbing and/or killing each other jeez. Both sides think the land belongs to them as both sides inhabited the same land for hundreds* of years. Which side is doing the grabbing then turns into a judgement call. * - Going by Wikipedia, Muslims Arabs since ~600CE and some form of Israelis since ~1200BCE.

Ethnically they’re the same group of Semitic peoples that have lived in Canaanite land since the late Neolithic

Can you show some data on that? Because a huge amount of the people there are from Western and Central Europe or the former Soviet Union. Those people might have some traces ethnically with people who were still there, but they lived away from there for almost 2000 years.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by throwaway27727 » Thu, Sep 01, 2022, 7:48 PM UTC

aqme28 wrote: post #165

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The irony is, that by now the palestinians could be rich, if they would have poured all in education and becoming basically a programming offshore nation for israel. You can not destroy code and if you are industrious, you can IP buyout even your enemies. Singapor comes to mind. But for the traditional players, eternal conflict is the bread and butter buisness. So here we are.

I don't really understand the point you're trying to make here. Every country could be relatively better off if they had invested better. It's also hard to invest in education when your schools are bombed and your children are malnourished.

And when your money goes into rockets

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by panick21_ » Thu, Sep 01, 2022, 7:48 PM UTC

Adverblessly wrote: post #198

dfadsadsf wrote: post #139

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Many will argue that settler-colonialist state based on religion does not have automatic right to exist similar to how white Rhodesia or apartheid South Africa (which used to be big friend of Israel) did not have right to exist and do not exist anymore. What is also true is that jewish, muslim, christian and atheist/other religions living in current territory of Israel and Palestine have right to peacefully live in f…

> settler-colonialist state based on religion Are you referring to Jewish colonialists coming to British ruled Palestine in the early 20th century, Muslim colonialists conquering Byzantine ruled Palestina in the early 7th century, Roman colonialists that exiled Jews and renamed the area Palestina in the early 2nd century after previous conquest, Greeks, Persians, Babylonians, Assyrians or Egyptians? Or maybe how acco…

Well we can't do much about what the Romans did. Muslim empires conquered Palestine in the 7th century yes, but they didn't widely displace the population. And even in the case of the roman, there was a large diaspora within the roman empire at the time, but not really a whole lot of systematic population replacment.

The colonists movement called Zionism (that is historically closely interlinked with other colonialist movement and has been ever since) that started after WW1 and hit its peak after WW2 and in 1948 quite clearly and explicitly have the goal of whole sale population replacement of the whole region.

The dominate right wing parties plans as far as we can tell is to import as many 'Jewish' people as they can and hope to decrease the amount of people in the West Bank and Gaza. They have pretty clear and deliberate strategy of long term ethnic cleanings, converting land that they agree in theory was gone be Palestinian and settling Israeli citizens on.

If there were Muslim empires from Persia invading Palestine still today, we should fight against that as well but that is long gone. However Israeli colonialism is still fully active and pushing forward literally every day.

As many people have already noted, Israel has practically made a two state solution impossible. The West Bank has been so carved up and systematically been destroyed as a viable state territory that its really can no longer function as such.

The Annapolis Conference was not close to solving anything, it was just another attempt at pressuring Palestinians to politically give more concessions. Bush and his Neo-Con allies had absolute no interest what so ever in a real Palestinian state. In fact Bush did nothing to prevent massive expansion of settlements during his terms and his presidency ended any series possibility of a real 2 state solution.