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Backsliding on free expression around the world needs to end

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Re: Backsliding on free expression around the world needs to end

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I have trouble taking this article seriously when Canada, where a bill is under consideration to regulate posting on social media, is colored more free than the United States (at least if that awful heat diagram is accurate).

Interesting, anywhere to read about that?

Re: Backsliding on free expression around the world needs to end

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It's telling to see this comment suppressed with not even a hint as to why. Feminism has changed drastically over the years. The gay movement has been taken over by toxic individuals. Occupy Wall St was taken over. Antifa shootings, BLM riots, lockdowns, get vaccinated or lose your job, and the redefinition of words, all occurred recently. Biden's rhetoric re Trump voters, 80+ million people, is very interesting. We'…

> Feminism has changed drastically over the years This is so true. All your comment is true, but, the mention of feminism really caught my eye. So, I’m a man. But once in a blue moon I’ll visit ovarit. It’s a reddit clone but for gender critical feminists. To me, the women there seem perfectly reasonable. I genuinely like seeing what they post there and it makes sense to me. They believe women are adult female humans…

Same here, I'm also quite a fan of Ovarit. It's really opened my eyes to a lot of the truly awful issues affecting women and girls, and it's refreshing to see the commenters there speak so plainly and directly about this. Also I love their humour, much of it is hilariously scathing.

To be honest, I think Reddit did them a favour kicking them off the platform. Though it was unfair, and the Reddit admins were taking the side of delusion and foolishness, it's worked out really well for the radfems who had to leave. Now they have their own women-centred space, away from the misogynists who want to keep them down.

Re: Backsliding on free expression around the world needs to end

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It's a restriction, but not a particularly punitive or effective one, unless you live in a city that's become so beholden to a single mode of travel that car usage has become some kind of dependency . Even then I'd hardly compare it to being booted from a single platform like Twitter that despite the claims of many here only represents a fraction of "public discourse" (indeed, not even a particularly large percentage…

>unless you live in a city that's become so beholden to a single mode of travel that car usage has become some kind of dependency Then I guess it's a good thing no one in the world lives like that...

I'd agree it certainly would be a good thing :-)

Re: Backsliding on free expression around the world needs to end

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Eliminating the word fascism from discourse, and replacing it with a description of the thoughts and attitudes you find intolerable, would clarify your claims are here. It's not an invitation to argue about those views mind you, but if you had said "whoa, it's totally fine if we don't have racism, sexism, transphobia, islamophobia, etc expressed anywhere in polite mainstream society" then suddenly it becomes clear 1.…

Tolerated is taking on a wide range is meanings here. On one the of the spectrum, absolutely no, part of a free society is not forcing people to tolerate speech they find intolerable. If I go to a TED talk about fixing poverty and the speaker talks about his plan for eugenics and a final solution, I will walk out. In the other end of the spectrum, the government may disappear people who's speech they or the society t…

Toleration here means commitment to combat the bad ideas in the sphere of debate, and not to work the refs e.g. by appealing for bans. It doesn't mean you have to listen to it, but that your strategy for opposing it is to debate against it, not prevent it from being said and heard.

Re: Backsliding on free expression around the world needs to end

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Getting kicked off social media is essentially having your ability to engage in public discourse removed, or at least severely restricted.

Do you truly believe that? It's a privately owned place to post thoughts, you were not being restricted if no newspaper would print your letter to the editor.

Absolutely. “Letters to the editor” is the best real-world analogy to social media. SM is not the telephone. It’s not the public square. It’s a company that you send content to, which in turn re-publishes, often after applying algorithmic curation (like a newspaper editor would for user generated letters).

People forget: none of these services are direct connections between one person and their audience like the telephone or public square. There are always three distinct steps: 1. You send content to them, 2. They analyze/curate, and 3. They publish it (or not) to the recipient(s). If you want a direct connection unencumbered by a company, choose a medium that works by establishing direct TCP connections between users.

Re: Backsliding on free expression around the world needs to end

#276

I have trouble taking this article seriously when Canada, where a bill is under consideration to regulate posting on social media, is colored more free than the United States (at least if that awful heat diagram is accurate).

Also having trouble seeing the US as basically a free country when jaywalking exists.

Re: Backsliding on free expression around the world needs to end

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Since you're talking about independent media, your whataboutism doesn't make much sense.

"Independent" of who? Who gets to decide what is "independent" and therefore deserving of the human right to free speech, versus what is "not independent" and therefore subhuman and not deserving of rights?

Well, ask the parent of my comment, which introduced the term.

But it's not as if you don't know. The dictionary provides two useful definitions of the word:

* not depending on another for livelihood or subsistence

* capable of thinking or acting for oneself

which both apply here. So, media that does not depend on some benefactor (such as a state or larger corp) to stay alive, and that is free to form its own opinions. RT fails these criteria.

So how about using common sense instead of trying that state indignant, passive-aggressive relativism.

Re: Backsliding on free expression around the world needs to end

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This is not talking about bogus "my freedoms" claims of people being kicked off Twitter, it's talking about actual loss of freedom of expression, where the government imprisons people for saying the wrong things. In the US we have loss sight of what real freedom of expression means.

As a retiree, I'm older than most here, and can attest to the fact that the freedom of expression in the United States is suppressed to a greater degree than at anytime in my lifetime. And it's only getting worse. To accept censorship on Big Tech platforms, e.g., Facebook & Twitter because they are "private companies", is to ignore revelations over the recent years of working in concert with offices of the federal government. Speech codes, gender identity, climate change, election meddling, excessive government spending, two tiers of justice (compare the treatment of Antifa/BLM with the J6 protestors), et al, all lead to a severe erosion of liberty. And that's the way it's intended.

Re: Backsliding on free expression around the world needs to end

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Getting kicked off social media is essentially having your ability to engage in public discourse removed, or at least severely restricted.

There are still city / township board meetings. You have the ability to converse with your neighbors. You can write to / contact your local representatives. If you feel that being kicked off social media is the same as the removal of your ability to engage in public discourse can you tell me what people did BEFORE social media?

They went to where the people they wanted to communicate with were, and communicated with them.

The people they want to communicate with have all moved to social media.

Before the Internet, there were systems in place for public discourse. Most of them have been dismantled. In the 1970s or 1980s, you read or wrote letters to the editor (now nonexistent or ignored), subscribed to specialty publications (all moved to social media), attended physical meetings (now organized mostly over social media if they happen at all). You might even have literally gone down to the public square to see what people had posted or were saying there (but nobody's posting or speaking now, because nobody's listening, because they've all moved to social media).

If you build a new public square, and everybody abandons the old one, you don't get to forbid soapboxing in the new one because the old one is "still available".

... and formal "board meetings" and one-to-one communication are NOT what is meant by public discourse.

Re: Backsliding on free expression around the world needs to end

#280

I have trouble taking this article seriously when Canada, where a bill is under consideration to regulate posting on social media, is colored more free than the United States (at least if that awful heat diagram is accurate).

Interesting, anywhere to read about that?

https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/C-11/second-...
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