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U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by cies »

panny wrote: post #74

It stands to reason that * If the vaccine is safe and effective, life expectancy would improve some over 2020 * If the vaccine is safe and ineffective, life expectancy would stay about the same as 2020 * If the vaccine is unsafe and ineffective, life expectency would drop below 2020 We are now witnessing the third outcome.

What we need now is a 2 graphs, one for the vaccinated, and one for the unvaccinated. The problem is self-selection: the elderly and obese were more likely to take the shots because of the fearmongering campaign that went along with it. Elderly and obese are more likely to die in the first place.

So we need to carefully select individuals in both groups to be similar in there regards, or control for it statistically.

We will find out --some day soon-- if this vaccine was contributing to health or contributing to deaths. Given the fact that Pfizer wanted to hide the side-effects list from the public for 75 years I'm afraid it is the latter.

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Post by dclusin »

c54 wrote: post #200
nu11ptr wrote: post #116

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It's worse than that: we are celebrating it Now I'm not saying we need to shame anyone, but saying "healthy at any size" is a terrible lie and in the long term helps no one.

“Healthy at any size” is a reasonable stance, and one in reaction to a medical system and social norm of being mean and hateful towards overweight people. BMI is not the only measure of health, but doctors will regularly tell heavyset patients with real other diseases to lose weight. Fat people are literally the only group where it’s just OK to make fun of them, in many circles. Even for those who are overweight and…

It’s okay to shame smokers because they are hurting more than just themselves with second hand smoke. But it’s not okay to shame fat parents who let their kids get fat even tho that’s hurting others. The logical conclusion of what you’re asking for is absolving people of accountability for their poor life choices. People rightly and understandably vehemently disagree with this.

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Post by anchochilis »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #107
californical wrote: post #64

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For one, we can start to treat city planning as a healthcare issue. Limit zoning restrictions that currently make driving everywhere the most convenient choice, stop all freeway expansion projects, and make as many walkable, bikeable, friendly neighborhoods as possible. If people want/need to go outside and walk or bike to accomplish their daily chores, they won’t need to think about exercise as much because it’ll ju…

People will literally rezone entire cities rather than saying we need to eat less food and workout more.

On the contrary, people have been saying we need to eat less food and work out more for decades. The "just educate people and they'll make better choices" approach has not worked.

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Post by onion2k »

ahtihn wrote: post #210
c54 wrote: post #200

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“Healthy at any size” is a reasonable stance, and one in reaction to a medical system and social norm of being mean and hateful towards overweight people. BMI is not the only measure of health, but doctors will regularly tell heavyset patients with real other diseases to lose weight. Fat people are literally the only group where it’s just OK to make fun of them, in many circles. Even for those who are overweight and…

Shaming works . There's nothing wrong with doctors telling overweight patients to lose weight. Because it is unhealthy.

Shaming works.

Why is obesity becoming more common when every doctor tells people to lose weight then?

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Post by prmoustache »

strken wrote: post #31
quickthrower2 wrote: post #18

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Low carb diet helped me with this. Calories in calories out, but if you have a lot of carbs you are going to get hungry when restricting the calories, whereas on a low carb diet I sometimes have to think hard as to whether I have had breakfast or not by 10am. Having woke up at 7am. "Oh I should probably eat something..." I think I have less than 50g of carbs a day, and probably 1500 calories but I don't track it too…

A lot of success in fixing your diet comes from experimenting and seeing what works for you. Low carb can help some people, while particular carb-heavy but satiating foods like oats or potatoes can help others. I don't think it's always clear-cut.

Additionnally, regardless of the diet a key is to relearn to eat slowly. By eating too fast we tend to feel satiated too late.

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Post by Teever »

brippalcharrid wrote: post #99
swader999 wrote: post #83

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If the spike is toxic and widely distributed in the body from the vaccine, it seems plausible.

Especially if the spike protein produced by the vaccines has been modified to be more stable (pseudouridine vs uridine) and therefore more immunogenic (toxic), and is present in significantly larger (orders of magnitude larger) quantities.

How did you feel about mask mandates and lockdowns?

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Post by tdeck »

nightski wrote: post #153
acdha wrote: post #70

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It’s lifestyle: Americans lead the world in both obesity and car centric lifestyles, and we have a ton of reinforcing factors – suburbs designed around cars are unpleasant/unsafe to be active in, people eat unhealthy food because it’s cheap (cars and suburbs are both more expensive) and something they can eat in the car or pickup on the way home, kids are prevented from exercising because there are few safe places in…

Suburbs are very walkable. You don't always have to have a destination to walk to. My wife & I walk every night for an hour and enjoy observing our neighborhood.

It's nice that the suburb you lived in is enjoyable to walk in, but that's not what the word "walkable" means in the context of a neighborhood. Walkable means you can accomplish daily tasks by using walking as a mode of transportation, not just a form of leisure.

To address your main point, many US suburbs are not safe to walk in. Many suburbs lack things like sidewalks, crosswalks, and traffic signals for pedestrians because pedestrians are a complete afterthought. Other places have a sidewalk but no shade, or are by roads with loud high-speed traffic so they're not pleasant to walk in. I've lived in all of these kinds of places and it really affects your willingness to walk anywhere.

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Post by CaptainZapp »

pmarreck wrote: post #55
midoridensha wrote: post #45

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>One of the greatest failings of our "modern" healthcare system is that there's no plan to address this crisis. Obesity is the gateway to what seems like an infinite amount of health complications What are they supposed to do? Obesity is caused by American's terrible lifestyle. Healthcare systems can only do so much to compensate for a bad lifestyle. Stop drinking alcohol, and start walking everywhere instead of driv…

it’s not a lifestyle problem. neither willpower nor lifestyles have changed much. processed carbs being addictive, however… medication that treats it like the medical problem it is, instead of berating people for a lack of willpower that they were never missing to begin with, will fix it https://www.mounjaro.com/

> medication that treats it like the medical problem it is

That was the approach in the 50s and 60s with amphetamines as an appetite killer.

That didn't work out well.

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Post by nightski »

tdeck wrote: post #217
nightski wrote: post #153

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Suburbs are very walkable. You don't always have to have a destination to walk to. My wife & I walk every night for an hour and enjoy observing our neighborhood.

It's nice that the suburb you lived in is enjoyable to walk in, but that's not what the word "walkable" means in the context of a neighborhood. Walkable means you can accomplish daily tasks by using walking as a mode of transportation, not just a form of leisure. To address your main point, many US suburbs are not safe to walk in. Many suburbs lack things like sidewalks, crosswalks, and traffic signals for pedestrian…

That's too bad. In the area around where I live I have yet to encounter a suburb that doesn't have sidewalks!

I understand what you meant by "walkability". I also don't think it's fun or practical. I tend to visit a lot of different stores, not just one or two. But I only go out shopping once a week or two, not daily. That sounds exhausting.

I also hate super dense living being packed in like sardines with everyone else. It's nice having a house with a decent sized yard and 10+ trees. Plenty of space and isolation, but at the same time close enough to friendly neighbors to socialize with. More Americans should give small to mid size cities a chance. They have a lot to offer. Far cheaper too, our neighborhood definitely isn't wealthy.

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Post by Denvercoder9 »

c54 wrote: post #196
midoridensha wrote: post #45

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>One of the greatest failings of our "modern" healthcare system is that there's no plan to address this crisis. Obesity is the gateway to what seems like an infinite amount of health complications What are they supposed to do? Obesity is caused by American's terrible lifestyle. Healthcare systems can only do so much to compensate for a bad lifestyle. Stop drinking alcohol, and start walking everywhere instead of driv…

Average amount of exercise has gone up and average amount of alcohol consumed has gone down. Those two factors alone cannot explain the steady rise in obesity starting in the 1980s in the US and other developed nations. This[0] analysis points to environmental contamination, specifically three candidates: animal antibiotics, PFAs, and lithium. https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/07/a-chemical-hunger-p...

> Average amount of exercise has gone up

Exercise is not the only thing that matters. If you eat twice as much, but exercise only 1.2x as much, you'll still get fat.

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