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U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by wsc981 »

stouset wrote: post #84
eric4smith wrote: post #3

Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.

Anecdata of n = 1 but two weeks ago I was hospitalized due to a stroke (IA). I'm 38 years old, exercise vigorously for 10-12 hours per week, am a healthy weight for my height, have good blood pressure and cholesterol, and have zero known risk factors other than a COVID infection a bit under a year ago. I'm not ready to blame COVID just yet (we're still searching for an underlying cause) but my doctors and nurses all…

I know people might be offended by me asking this question, but did you get COVID vaccinations? And if so, which brand(s)?

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by AlexandrB »

nu11ptr wrote: post #121
midoridensha wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>One of the greatest failings of our "modern" healthcare system is that there's no plan to address this crisis. Obesity is the gateway to what seems like an infinite amount of health complications What are they supposed to do? Obesity is caused by American's terrible lifestyle. Healthcare systems can only do so much to compensate for a bad lifestyle. Stop drinking alcohol, and start walking everywhere instead of driv…

For starters, they could stop encouraging unhealthy eating ( cough food pyramid cough ). We should be be eating like our grandparent's grandparents (or as I call it: 'A real food' diet) but instead they tell us to shun meat but feel free to eat all the heavily processed carbs with HFCS and canola oil foods you want. Don't eat red meat, but pizza and fries are just fine!

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a nutritionist that recommends eating a lot of processed food. And red meat is a hazard, even though I agree that it tastes great. If you're not convinced, this YouTube channel does a good job of going over a lot of the science: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EtLNHvC4aUw

He also has a 2-parter on plant sourced fats: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qInpEKHdjXk

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by ImaCake »

eric4smith wrote: post #3

Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.

Age is a multiple times larger risk factor for COVID risk than weight. So while weight is important, the real elephant in the room is an ageing population?

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by nomel »

stouset wrote: post #170
el_benhameen wrote: post #149

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Really sorry to hear that. Thanks for sharing. Was it sudden onset or a slower process?

Sudden onset as far as I can tell. I woke up almost entirely unable to move anything on the right side of my body, and was only able to speak individual words with significant effort.

I had a mini stroke, with long lasting problems. Look up “dormant neurons” and hyperbaric oxygen therapy. I did a relatively extended treatment and it helped me tremendously. I really wish I would have done it sooner. I might have been able to save a bit more of my brain.

Besides significant improvements in my work life, the big win for me was eliminating some anger problems that showed up after the TIA, and getting my sense of humor back! Considering my brain is my money maker, it was completely worth it (around $4k for 30 or 40 sessions, I believe).

My TIA involved significant turbulence in my blood flow, so perhaps my capillaries were extra clogged, but you should seriously consider it, if you have any lingering changes. There are quite a few studies about it. The most promising I found involved Oxiracetam, so I included that, as part of my treatment (with my doctors approval, and proper choline supplementation).

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by stouset »

wsc981 wrote: post #191
stouset wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdata of n = 1 but two weeks ago I was hospitalized due to a stroke (IA). I'm 38 years old, exercise vigorously for 10-12 hours per week, am a healthy weight for my height, have good blood pressure and cholesterol, and have zero known risk factors other than a COVID infection a bit under a year ago. I'm not ready to blame COVID just yet (we're still searching for an underlying cause) but my doctors and nurses all…

I know people might be offended by me asking this question, but did you get COVID vaccinations? And if so, which brand(s)?

Regardless of your opinion, the one bit of information provided by answering this question has little value other than to spark a pointless argument.

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by c54 »

midoridensha wrote: post #45
remarkEon wrote: post #22

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Hear, hear. One of the greatest failings of our "modern" healthcare system is that there's no plan to address this crisis. Obesity is the gateway to what seems like an infinite amount of health complications - not to mention the additional burden on the health care system itself when they get sick. I fully acknowledge that it's a difficult subject, it upsets people, and it's uncomfortable. The greatest healthcare adv…

>One of the greatest failings of our "modern" healthcare system is that there's no plan to address this crisis. Obesity is the gateway to what seems like an infinite amount of health complications What are they supposed to do? Obesity is caused by American's terrible lifestyle. Healthcare systems can only do so much to compensate for a bad lifestyle. Stop drinking alcohol, and start walking everywhere instead of driv…

Average amount of exercise has gone up and average amount of alcohol consumed has gone down. Those two factors alone cannot explain the steady rise in obesity starting in the 1980s in the US and other developed nations. This[0] analysis points to environmental contamination, specifically three candidates: animal antibiotics, PFAs, and lithium.

https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/07/a-chemical-hunger-p...

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by rsanek »

eric4smith wrote: post #3

Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.

damn, 4 literallys

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by strken »

acdha wrote: post #70
strken wrote: post #36

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The rise in obesity is likely environmental. It's entirely possible that microplastics or PFAS (or whatever contaminant you want to point the finger at) causes obesity, which then causes health issues.

It’s lifestyle: Americans lead the world in both obesity and car centric lifestyles, and we have a ton of reinforcing factors – suburbs designed around cars are unpleasant/unsafe to be active in, people eat unhealthy food because it’s cheap (cars and suburbs are both more expensive) and something they can eat in the car or pickup on the way home, kids are prevented from exercising because there are few safe places in…

What proof do you have that it's lifestyle? My opinion is loosely based on http://achemicalhunger.com/, specifically the papers that found wild animals are getting fat, and the timing.

The things you say are all true, but they were also true to a lesser extent in the 60s, when Americans were much less obese than they are now. They're also not true for wild animals.

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Post by blueprint »

eric4smith wrote: post #3

Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.

literally

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by c54 »

nu11ptr wrote: post #116
eric4smith wrote: post #3

Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.

It's worse than that: we are celebrating it Now I'm not saying we need to shame anyone, but saying "healthy at any size" is a terrible lie and in the long term helps no one.

“Healthy at any size” is a reasonable stance, and one in reaction to a medical system and social norm of being mean and hateful towards overweight people. BMI is not the only measure of health, but doctors will regularly tell heavyset patients with real other diseases to lose weight.

Fat people are literally the only group where it’s just OK to make fun of them, in many circles.

Even for those who are overweight and unhealthy, berating and shaming someone is never going to be a way to help someone heal.

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