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Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by swader999 »

buscoquadnary wrote: post #40
nishs wrote: post #4

From the article, “The Covid-19 pandemic is the primary cause of the decline.” And it is going to decline further. Covid affects multiple organ systems; the acute phase of the infection, it is safe to say at this point, is not the primary cause of concern. Covid-19 infection increases the chances of a stroke 4x and of heart failure more than 10x, among other disorders, within 12 months of infection. [1] A chief scien…

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Has anyone compared excess mortality between highly vaccinated countries vs countries with low uptake?

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Post by c1ccccc1 »

buscoquadnary wrote: post #40
nishs wrote: post #4

From the article, “The Covid-19 pandemic is the primary cause of the decline.” And it is going to decline further. Covid affects multiple organ systems; the acute phase of the infection, it is safe to say at this point, is not the primary cause of concern. Covid-19 infection increases the chances of a stroke 4x and of heart failure more than 10x, among other disorders, within 12 months of infection. [1] A chief scien…

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Fortunately, it should be possible to determine which is true, since there is a very large control group in the form of people who have opted not to be vaccinated.

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Post by swader999 »

Teever wrote: post #79
buscoquadnary wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I find the cognitive dissonance that goes into thinking that the vaccine for a virus must be causing the increased rate of effects from an actual infection to be fascinating.

If the spike is toxic and widely distributed in the body from the vaccine, it seems plausible.

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Post by stouset »

eric4smith wrote: post #3

Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.

Anecdata of n = 1 but two weeks ago I was hospitalized due to a stroke (IA).

I'm 38 years old, exercise vigorously for 10-12 hours per week, am a healthy weight for my height, have good blood pressure and cholesterol, and have zero known risk factors other than a COVID infection a bit under a year ago. I'm not ready to blame COVID just yet (we're still searching for an underlying cause) but my doctors and nurses all described a highly concerning uptick of strokes over the past few years, including for those like me who are generally in good health.

I was lucky to have recovered with essentially no noticeable deficiencies, but many of those with similar stories I've spoken with in the weeks since weren't so lucky and have permanent impairment.

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Post by tomrod »

dqpb wrote: post #72
nishs wrote: post #4

From the article, “The Covid-19 pandemic is the primary cause of the decline.” And it is going to decline further. Covid affects multiple organ systems; the acute phase of the infection, it is safe to say at this point, is not the primary cause of concern. Covid-19 infection increases the chances of a stroke 4x and of heart failure more than 10x, among other disorders, within 12 months of infection. [1] A chief scien…

> Covid-19 infection increases the chances of a stroke 4x and of heart failure more than 10x, among other disorders, within 12 months of infection. For everybody or for some people? What is the causal chain?

Off the cuff, it sounds like a reference to an assessment of a risk-adjusted population as a whole relative to pre-COVID baseline.

COVID-19 does massive damage generally.

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Post by drekipus »

panny wrote: post #74

It stands to reason that * If the vaccine is safe and effective, life expectancy would improve some over 2020 * If the vaccine is safe and ineffective, life expectancy would stay about the same as 2020 * If the vaccine is unsafe and ineffective, life expectency would drop below 2020 We are now witnessing the third outcome.

Very simple-minded view despite that America is hugely overweight and have issues besides covid.

Also your logic is wrong. If vaccine is safe and effective, the life expectancy would remain the same (IE: no additional deaths due to covid)

You're trying to make a point and not making a very good job of it.

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Post by tenpies »

mandmandam wrote: post #6
ekianjo wrote: post #2

> The Covid-19 pandemic is the primary cause of the decline. However, increases in the number of people dying from overdoses and accidents is also a significant factor. True statement but it should be the other way around. Deaths by overdoses are much more impactful in terms of life expectancy decline, since they mostly kill younger people.

Careful there; that could lead to a conversation about the cost/benefits of how lockdowns were implemented. Then we'd have to look at how younger generations were sacrificed for the older. Then we might have to talk about how that happens in many areas, from wealth distribution to climate change policy, from environmental policy to corporate accountability. Not to mention the wars. Can't be letting that type of discu…

It will also be very interesting to see how mortality data trends during the next couple of years.

I know there's a cohort of people that are pointing out at a certain national level field experiment as the cause of increased mortality, but there are also very valid reasons why we would see an increase in mortality now. More data will reveal to which degree each group is correct, and thankfully, we have a robust control group.

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Post by faddypaddy34 »

syzar wrote: post #57
midoridensha wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people believe that mental problems are all caused by disembodied souls of people from the planet Teegeeack, brought here by Xenu of the Galactic Confederation in spacegoing DC-10s and blown up by A-bombs in Hawaii.

I agree with your overall point but at this time there are, thankfully, few believers of Scientology. Hopefully at some point in the future encountering an anti-vaxer will be as rare as encountering a Scientologist.

Explain how the COVID vaccine which does not 1) Prevent becoming infected with COVID, 2) Does not prevent spreading COVID to others, 3) Does not prevent COVID symptoms is a vaccine again? Also using the CDC definition that was specifically changed because the COVID vaccine didn't meet the definition of vaccine doesn't count.

Additionally how about we don't just jump to lumping huge numbers of people into out groups to feel better about ourselves and create divisiveness? Or go to Reddit where you can cheer on people dying.

https://yournews.com/2022/07/11/2375584/emails-confirm-why-c...

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Post by mancerayder »

eric4smith wrote: post #3

Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.

I'm not overweight, I'm a double-vaxxed, very athletic (weight training and running habits) and I got nailed hard on the post-acute sequalae front. Dry cough, shortness of breath lasted over two months. I had to completely stop strength training as it's a known risk factor for long covid-inspired problems like mitochondrial dysfunction and dysautonomia. I had the latter and it was a deeply existentially displeasurable experience.

I got back into it not long ago and feel I've dodged a bullet, and learned a lot about how not to take health for granted.

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buscoquadnary wrote: post #40
nishs wrote: post #4

From the article, “The Covid-19 pandemic is the primary cause of the decline.” And it is going to decline further. Covid affects multiple organ systems; the acute phase of the infection, it is safe to say at this point, is not the primary cause of concern. Covid-19 infection increases the chances of a stroke 4x and of heart failure more than 10x, among other disorders, within 12 months of infection. [1] A chief scien…

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