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US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by anshumankmr »

zmmmmm wrote: post #408

Can they stop reselling into those countries from countries where it is legal to export to? I am curious how it's effective unless the US has negotiated with every legal export market not to resell. Or are they willing to concede that but assume anything high enough volume to worry about couldn't work through that kind of channel?

And how far can they stop the re-selling? Let's just say the US stops direct sales, but the GPUs are sold to country X who is a close ally of the US, who sells it to Y who is not that big of an ally to the US who in turns sells the GPUs to China. This could go on and on.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by MrPatan »

zmmmmm wrote: post #408

Can they stop reselling into those countries from countries where it is legal to export to? I am curious how it's effective unless the US has negotiated with every legal export market not to resell. Or are they willing to concede that but assume anything high enough volume to worry about couldn't work through that kind of channel?

You can break international sanctions if you want, but then don't fly to Canada like a dumbass

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by hoseja »

butterfly771 wrote: post #273
alphabetting wrote: post #72

To me this is a pretty clear message that the US will defend Taiwan with full force.

As a Chinese, what I want to say is that populism here has risen rapidly in recent years, the Thucydides trap has been fulfilled again, and a war is basically inevitable. is the United States determined to deal with this earth war? How much are you willing to pay to protect Taiwan?

Thousand years of humiliation this time.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by tankenmate »

LionTamer wrote: post #347
MarkSweep wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are all kinds of things subject to export restrictions: https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/regulations/export-adminis... For example, high resolution analog to digital converters have restrictions. In the past strong cryptography even had restrictions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_th... Even travel for US citizens was restricted. I have relatives who were in the semiconductor and aer…

I knew about the previous cryptography restrictions, but I also knew that the Supreme Court overruled them by ruling (as I understand it) that “code is speech”. I’ll have to check out the other links though

This brings back memories of a t-shirt I had that had big red letters on it "Export Controlled" and an implementation of RSA in perl on it.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by hoseja »

quantum_state wrote: post #296
onepointsixC wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>is the United States determined to deal with this earth war? How much are you willing to pay to protect Taiwan? Yes the US is very much determined to win such a war. A free and independent Taiwan is the linchpin of American foreign policy in Asia. America is willing to spend great fortunes in treasure and blood to keep it that way.

Counting the track records … Vietnam, Afghan … apart from wasting lots of tax payer money and making the people in the area miserable, what else did we achieve?

Keeping the US military ready and exercised, and the military-industrial complex alive and productive. The main goal of those wars.

When was the last time PLA had a live conflict?

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Post by yrlihuan »

ericmay wrote: post #288
butterfly771 wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Chinese, what I want to say is that populism here has risen rapidly in recent years, the Thucydides trap has been fulfilled again, and a war is basically inevitable. is the United States determined to deal with this earth war? How much are you willing to pay to protect Taiwan?

Wars happen because each of the two sides think they can win. In this case, the US is obviously confident it can win. This one is easy to see in this scenario. China on the other hand questions the commitment of the US: “really, you’re going to go to war to protect Taiwan? It’s China! What do you care?”, and this could be true if geographic and geopolitical realities were different. But what the CCP somewhat and I th…

The US will win in a non-war scenario, by using its influence over the other countries and isolating China from the US's western allies. It's an easy choice and seemingly an easy win.

A real military conflict with China near China's front door is another thing. I doubt anyone with some common sense should call that an easy win.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by RF_Savage »

wildzzz wrote: post #294
obblekk wrote: post #146

This doesn't just ban A100s. It bans those and "any future NVIDIA integrated circuit achieving both peak performance and chip-to-chip I/O performance equal to or greater than thresholds that are roughly equivalent to the A100." It's a ceiling on the performance that can be exported. In an exponentially scaling industry, this is the equivalent of an announcement in advance of a complete ban on competitive products 2-3…

One way that companies get around ITAR and similar regulations for things like space grade components that have radiation tolerant features is to only rad test up to what the limits are. The components are probably much more resilient than what they are specced for but by only declaring the legal limit, companies can still export their products. The foreign buyers can do their own testing to prove the components can…

Reminds me of how in the eighties and nineties many MMIC's topped out at 8GHz, on the datasheet. As 9GHz X-band capable stuff was more restricted dual use stuff.

Yet ERA-2SM for example had more gain on 10GHz than the 8GHz where the official spec ended at. :)

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by RF_Savage »

coretx wrote: post #342
zerohp wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US government has been setting the ceiling on performance that can be exported since the beginning of the computer industry. This is not really new but NVidia was caught by a surprise change in the limits.

It's not just the US government, it's many civilized governments doing these sort of things. And in this particular case this european is grateful for it because it is not about setting ceilings or hindering industry, it's about preventing the abuse of dual use goods. In other words; Not being fsckd by our own stuff. Other examples can be found here: https://www.wassenaar.org/app/uploads/2021/12/Public-Docs-Vo...

I hate it when I have to check if my hobby projects hit Wassenaar limits or not.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by tankenmate »

treefry wrote: post #404
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #401

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soooo..... if china and russia do a collab and reverse engineer the existing A100, what.... will USA or nvidia do? like sue them? haha

They cannot manufacture such advanced chip even if they have circuit design.

Not only that, by the time they figure how to do it the rest of the world will have moved on by at least 2 generations. SMIC has announced 14nm (but shipments in volume aren't clear), TSMC will have 5nm chips shipping in volume by the end of the month.
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