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US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by jonnybgood »

immigrantheart wrote: post #287
chii wrote: post #214

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> China is the only old civilization that still strive today. i doubt that is actually true - the old chinese civilization is long gone. It's like saying that the american indian civilization is still here today. > they still made great progress they did - and to obtain that progress, they had to open up to world trade, to become part of the international community, and to cooperate. It's proof that free market and i…

> i doubt that is actually true - the old chinese civilization is long gone. It's like saying that the american indian civilization is still here today. Native American Indian didn't speak English, got obliterated by European settlers, their culture and their language destroyed. The American Indians have zero continuity today. They are a lost people. The Chinese was and still is the same, the Han. Despite Mongol and…

Native American cultures and languages are still very much alive. Have you not heard of the Cherokee and Navajo nations, and the many others? They are definitely not a lost people. Also, not all Chinese people are Han.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by TheRealPomax »

majormajor wrote: post #193
TheRealPomax wrote: post #157

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Slightly missed the point: NVidia uses TSMC to make their GPUs. TSMC is in (as the name suggests) Taiwan, so either NVidia -by default- is violating this order by exporting to China because the fabs are in China, or they're not exporting to China because the US now officially recognizes Taiwan as "not China".

This seems like an attempt to play lawyerball and find larger significance than exists in a fact. For instance, the US recognizes Taiwan passports for visitors, those are not China passports... and they treat visitors differently, see how Taiwan is on this list and China is not: https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/201... So "by default" the US already "officially" recognizes Taiwan as "not China.…

> This seems like an attempt to play lawyerball

Yes, that's literally what the original question was?

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by robin_reala »

LionTamer wrote: post #264
zerohp wrote: post #251

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The US government has been setting the ceiling on performance that can be exported since the beginning of the computer industry. This is not really new but NVidia was caught by a surprise change in the limits.

When was this done previously?

US tried to block PlayStation 2s from going to China as they were too powerful: https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/review/0...

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by bredren »

wildzzz wrote: post #294
obblekk wrote: post #146

This doesn't just ban A100s. It bans those and "any future NVIDIA integrated circuit achieving both peak performance and chip-to-chip I/O performance equal to or greater than thresholds that are roughly equivalent to the A100." It's a ceiling on the performance that can be exported. In an exponentially scaling industry, this is the equivalent of an announcement in advance of a complete ban on competitive products 2-3…

One way that companies get around ITAR and similar regulations for things like space grade components that have radiation tolerant features is to only rad test up to what the limits are. The components are probably much more resilient than what they are specced for but by only declaring the legal limit, companies can still export their products. The foreign buyers can do their own testing to prove the components can…

Chinese brand 8fun (bafang) ebike motors have been sold this way for a long time. AFAIK, the spec for their mid drive motors has been well below output potential.

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Post by janmo »

coolspot wrote: post #210
janmo wrote: post #156

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I am ready to buy every piece of hardware, smart phone, laptop, GPU in the minutes after an invasion or a blockade is announced, it will be the single best investment of a lifetime. + with such goods if you are in the EU, you have up to 14 days to send them back and get a full refund, so basically you have 14 days to resell them double the price with no downside risk.

“Minutes after” would be too late. Everything will be sold out and DDoSed hours/days before.

Online it might, but you can still go to a store. Just have to run very fast and hope it happens when the stores are open otherwise it will be too late.

ideally you know an insider working there to reserve the products for you.

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Post by onepointsixC »

quantum_state wrote: post #325
onepointsixC wrote: post #311

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Those are your go to for examples of the US lacking determination and resolve to stand by allies? Sure the US abandoned the South Vietnamese and the Afghan Governments, but only after two decades of military conflict in support of each. A dragged out conflict over Taiwan hurts the CCP the most.

Please remember the CCP has no feeling … hard to make it feel hurt. However, a dragged out conflict would hurt the people at TW and waste our money … let’s focus on building this country strong and take care the ppl here …

What a bizarre take. The people of Taiwan do not want to share the fate of Hong Kongers and are willing to fight to keep it that way. China imports 10 million barrels of oil a day. Any protracted conflict against the USN will see the CENTCOM stopping that flow of oil, which mostly comes from the Middle East. China is neither food nor energy secure and every additional month of conflict over Taiwan would be absolutely devastating to them.

Let me guess you also oppose aiding Ukrainians?

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by 29athrowaway »

nomel wrote: post #59
29athrowaway wrote: post #41

It will be just an incentive to manufacture their own.

You say that like chip fabrication is not the most complicated manufacturing process on earth.

Yes, but once NVIDIA cannot sell to them, all the millions of dollars spent on NVIDIA products will now go to a domestic Chinese alternative. They will catch up fast.

They do have indigenous CPUs and GPUs.

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Post by geerlingguy »

Kadin wrote: post #313
LionTamer wrote: post #264

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When was this done previously?

Apple made a fairly big deal of the fact that the G5 processor, when they started putting it into their machines (or maybe it was when they went to dual G5s?), had just recently stopped being export-controlled by virtue of being classified as a "supercomputer". (What really happened was that the Feds revised the definition of "supercomputer", and suddenly the G5 configuration they were using didn't qualify anymore...…

Close, but it was actually the G4 where they started doing that.

They made a big deal about it in their commercials at the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoxvLq0dFvw

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Post by lawrenceyan »

camdenlock wrote: post #266
lawrenceyan wrote: post #252

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What happened to the ideals of global unity and one humanity? Or at the very least, globalized supply chains and free markets.

They remain just that: ideals. Reality is a different matter altogether.

Am I too naive or are you too jaded?

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Post by WhatIsDukkha »

kvathupo wrote: post #330

Although this seems to only affect the Chinese and Russian governments (as opposed to researchers), I'm generally against economic brinkmanship of this variety. It just festers resentment, and doesn't seem to achieve much: of what little I could find and scan in an hour, it appears that Nvidia GPUs strong-scale pretty well for neural networks ([1], [2]). Although this depends heavily on the NN architecture and traini…

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/14/technology/china-surveill...

One the applications they are hungry for.

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