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Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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> For everybody or for some people? What is the causal chain? The study it is based on is from Al Aly [1], who is using a dataset of (mostly elderly, unhealthy) veterans who regularly seek hospital care from the US government hospital system (VA). It is an older, sicker population, and no, the results aren't generalizable. Moreover, his methods are dubious. I've dug into one of Al Aly's other paper's downthread [2],…

I only have a MSc, but with a more biomedical focus. I disagree with your overall impression and contextualization (even if you may be right on some of the finer points). I don’t agree with your assessment of Topol’s credibility, or on that of the relevance and quality of the Nature article.

You're obviously entitled to your opinion, but "I don't agree" is not a rebuttal to the specific claims I'm making about Al Aly's work. I'm not asking anyone to believe me because I have a certain degree; I'm pointing out real limitations and problems with the research.

For example, there's absolutely nothing stopping Al Aly from using a real, consistent control (e.g. influenza, or even just the same negative control) instead of a grab-bag of different illnesses. The reason he switches them with every paper is probably because his synthetic weighting scheme produces inconvenient results from experiment to experiment when the same control is used. But we can only speculate, because we don't have the data. Remember: he's re-weighting his covariates using these controls! This is a real, objective problem.

My opinions about Topol are my own, which is why I said they're editorial, but I'm tired of the guy's constant doom-and-gloom messaging and inability/unwillingness to critically appraise data. Even in the most charitable, rational take on Al Aly's work, you can't casually extrapolate it to the entire population the way that Topol does.

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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25 years ago I predicted that seat belts will cause an increase in fatalities and hospitalizations for trauma. I also predicted that people will blame this on car crashes as proof that we needed laws requiring them. See how silly this line of reasoning is when you don't feel bothered by a need to provide data or statistics?

That’s true. But the difference between the COVID vaccines and seatbelts is the data — hence why you hear that argument about COVID vaccines, but not seatbelts. https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/thailand-study-of-young-a... https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/here-is-the-data-behind-a... https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/doctors-in-canada-are-dyi...

Counterpoint, Steve Kirsch is an absolute moron who has lost the plot.

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/critical-thinking/steve-ki...

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Did anybody ever die unexpectedly before 2019?

Apparently not at the same rate. In the UK, ages 1-59 year olds are dying at almost twice the rate if vaccinated than not. The forth chart from the top "ages 10-59" https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/what-do-uk-data-say-a... This site is very pro vaccine, but even here they have to do a lot of hand waving to try and explain it away. And Suddenly everything is fuzzy, they can't quite put the two together. Which is…

I don't see what that link about that kid has to do with your point? They don't even mention cause of death.

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Does it give you even the smallest bit of pause, that you, with absolutely no background in any of the relevant fields are so confident about your bizarre thesis while all of the experts disagree with you?

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>One of the greatest failings of our "modern" healthcare system is that there's no plan to address this crisis. Obesity is the gateway to what seems like an infinite amount of health complications What are they supposed to do? Obesity is caused by American's terrible lifestyle. Healthcare systems can only do so much to compensate for a bad lifestyle. Stop drinking alcohol, and start walking everywhere instead of driv…

The way we design our systems is what made this mess, we can also design systems that lead to better health outcomes. We can also look around and see what other countries are doing right (and wrong).

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This study is one of a number of different ones from the same lab (Al Aly), taking a dataset of older, sicker people (US veterans who seek hospital care at the VA), and looking at groups who had two hospital confirmed infections, vs. those with one hospital confirmed infection, vs those who went to the hospital with no confirmed infections. Per the paper's abstract: > We show that COMPARED TO PEOPLE WITH FIRST INFECT…

Find a better way to cope IMHO, nothing you said negates the main point that reinfection is creating worse outcomes in some people. Eric Topol is not "fear-mongering", you are projecting that insecurity of yours onto him.

> nothing you said negates the main point that reinfection is creating worse outcomes in some people

Except for the parts where I point out that this result is confounded by the advanced age and morbidity of the study population; the health-seeking behavior that led to their inclusion; and the fact that they're all getting older across the course of the study (which tends to result in higher rates of death, illness and relocation to Florida. I wonder if he found that Covid caused higher rates of golfer's elbow?)

Also, no, the study didn't show anything is "creating" anything else. It argued that there's a correlation.

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obesity isn't a crisis of the healthcare system, it's a cultural crisis at a macro level. You don't need 'healthcare advice' as if giving individual people recommendations has any meaningful impact, you need to tackle it a social level. Living designed around movement rather than cars, prices up on high calorie foods, nationwide exercise programs in schools, put a ban on all ads for sugary drinks like Singapore did,…

Or you know we can just let people live and die as they want to. Inform them of the risks but we don't need to go to draconian levels to prevent this.

Nobody likes to be obese or genuinely thinks it's better, they just post-rationalize it to feel better about a situation they deem to hard to change, in the same way some deaf people rationalize it's actually better to literally not hear. Humans will tell themselves anything to cope, and the only hope we have is that other humans call that out instead of enabling it. Or we just let society crumble from a health crisis that is totally preventable.

Health care money is limited and obesity kills people with other illnesses by taking away resources.

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To be fair, we documented it happening in real time - https://austingwalters.com/covid-19-vaccine-deaths-being-cod... UK government was counting gene therapy (“vaccine”) deaths as covid19 deaths. Which I mean, kinda? Regarding the fatalities, yes obviously part of them are from the gene therapy. The question was were they primarily from the gene therapy. https://austingwalters.com/covid19-vaccine-risks/ It turns out…

To what degree do you think improper administration played a roll? If the mrna was only delivered into muscle tissue and not the circulatory system, all the spike proteins and their damage would be isolated to the muscle tissue. Autoimmune effects would still be present, but would be with infection as well.

We didn't / don't even know the proper dosage for the vaccine...

Personally, I stick to the research on mRNA technology prior to 2020 -- it doesn't work effectively and carries a lot of risk.

Some basic unanswered questions:

- How long does the mRNA last inside the cells? i.e. how long will your body produce spike proteins?

- What's the appropriate quantity of proteins to produce a decent immune response?

- In a batch of "vaccines" what's the quality and density of mRNA being injected into cells?

- What are the long-term risks of creating proteins in this manner? (5, 10, 20 years out)

- My wife was recommended the COVID19 vaccine when pregnant (in 2021) - what was the risk profile? It took a decade to learn that for the other vaccines (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/vaccines-during-p...)

Just to point out how crazy that last point is... They recommend it on the CDC website (been recommending the vaccine since 2021):

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommend...

Yet, here's a paper published Aug 10, 2022:

> Overall, studies monitoring people who have received covid-19 vaccines during pregnancy have not identified any pregnancy specific safety concerns. Additional information on non-mRNA vaccines, vaccination early in pregnancy, and longer term outcomes in infants are needed. To collect this information, vaccination during pregnancy must be prioritized in vaccine research.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35948352/

Here's another one from May 3, 2022:

> Pregnant women were largely excluded from initial clinical trials investigating the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines; however, they have since been included as part of the routine roll-out of these vaccines.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9061132/

People / "Experts" know what they are doing and it's a massive experiment.

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Anecdata of n = 1 but two weeks ago I was hospitalized due to a stroke (IA). I'm 38 years old, exercise vigorously for 10-12 hours per week, am a healthy weight for my height, have good blood pressure and cholesterol, and have zero known risk factors other than a COVID infection a bit under a year ago. I'm not ready to blame COVID just yet (we're still searching for an underlying cause) but my doctors and nurses all…

Really sorry to hear that. Thanks for sharing. Was it sudden onset or a slower process?

Sudden onset as far as I can tell. I woke up almost entirely unable to move anything on the right side of my body, and was only able to speak individual words with significant effort.
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