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US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by smoldesu »

fabianhjr wrote: post #102
krasin wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China recently announced their GPU: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/first-wholly-domestic-chin... - from the specs, it's not bad.

12nm, about 5 years behind; it would be a very bad deal against current AMD Radeon RX offerings though the Chinese Economic Planning body would very likely throw a lot of support to secure domestic IP and production capacity.

FWIW, Pascal GPUs are completely usable for image classification, model training and even inferencing the full Stable Diffusion model. China doesn't need a dense node, just big server-grade GPU dies and the same software we have.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by wmf »

samstave wrote: post #75

Serious Question: What about the Apple M[x] series things? The M2 integrates an Apple designed ten-core (or eight-core) graphics processing unit (GPU). Each GPU core is split into 32 execution units, which each contain eight arithmetic logic units (ALUs). In total, the M2 GPU contains up to 320 execution units or 2,560 ALUs, which have a maximum floating point (FP32) performance of 3.6 TFLOPs.

Nothing from Apple is powerful enough to get banned.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by hotfix12 »

olladecarne wrote: post #91
modeless wrote: post #84

I'm starting to think it's a good idea to stock up on all the electronics you think you might need for the next decade. Because when China finally invades Taiwan, the supply of electronic devices worldwide is going to instantly disappear. How many electronic devices do you own that don't have any part of their supply chain in China or Taiwan or adjacent countries? The COVID shortages we all saw were practically busin…

Lack of high end tech will be the least of your problems if China and the US get into a hot war.

Why would China and the US get into a hot war anyway?

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by alphabetting »

modeless wrote: post #84

I'm starting to think it's a good idea to stock up on all the electronics you think you might need for the next decade. Because when China finally invades Taiwan, the supply of electronic devices worldwide is going to instantly disappear. How many electronic devices do you own that don't have any part of their supply chain in China or Taiwan or adjacent countries? The COVID shortages we all saw were practically busin…

The supply of TSMC chips won't disappear bc the US will defend Taiwan. It's far too important. The companies with major reliance on mainland China (Apple) are the ones that need to worry.

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Post by modeless »

alphabetting wrote: post #114
modeless wrote: post #84

I'm starting to think it's a good idea to stock up on all the electronics you think you might need for the next decade. Because when China finally invades Taiwan, the supply of electronic devices worldwide is going to instantly disappear. How many electronic devices do you own that don't have any part of their supply chain in China or Taiwan or adjacent countries? The COVID shortages we all saw were practically busin…

The supply of TSMC chips won't disappear bc the US will defend Taiwan. It's far too important. The companies with major reliance on mainland China (Apple) are the ones that need to worry.

You really think TSMC will be able to fabricate and export chips at a significant fraction of full capacity during a war with China?

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Post by sudosysgen »

nomel wrote: post #59
29athrowaway wrote: post #41

It will be just an incentive to manufacture their own.

You say that like chip fabrication is not the most complicated manufacturing process on earth.

You say that as if it didn't just turn out that China has been producing 7nm chips for at least a year.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by karmasimida »

fabianhjr wrote: post #96
karmasimida wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I think Chinese providers will not entrust in US technology moving forward. Who knows when next ban would come. I think this ban will result in worse off situtation for both countries. China is a huge market for Nvidia after all. While China will become ever more isolated in the landscape of AI/Graphics community, which is a big bad news for it apparently. China will create its own GPUs eventually, but probably…

Realistically speaking the datacenters / enterprise would have to buy the next best thing in the short term, though you are right in that China (being a planned economy) will take this as economic warfare, designate GPUs as strategic resource and invest in creating domestic production capacity. If high speed trains are anything to go by (China sends regards to the California High Speed Rail Project) then the US will…

That is contingent on China able to access other global markets for its own GPUs/chips

Which I don't think is a given, it will become more like cold wars, where market access will become limited to allies only.

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Post by crazytalk »

bushbaba wrote: post #88
crazytalk wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the price of those things, bake a GPS IC deep into the chip

GPS wont get a signal in many datacenters given the amount of EM radiation

I've seen plenty of racks in my time with stuff like this installed https://www.gpssource.com/products/irms18-gps-integrated-rac...

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by neysofu »

option wrote: post #97
alphabetting wrote: post #72

To me this is a pretty clear message that the US will defend Taiwan with full force.

as it should. Taiwan should become part of NATO asap just like Finland and Sweden are trying to do.

No NATO member even recognizes Taiwan as a sovereign country, going from that to NATO membership seems... quite the leap.

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Post by kman82 »

modeless wrote: post #115
alphabetting wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The supply of TSMC chips won't disappear bc the US will defend Taiwan. It's far too important. The companies with major reliance on mainland China (Apple) are the ones that need to worry.

You really think TSMC will be able to fabricate and export chips at a significant fraction of full capacity during a war with China?

Probably yea
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