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US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by rvnx »

immigrantheart wrote: post #54
rvnx wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world isn't really going in the right direction and any sign toward appeasing or pacification is crucial at such stage :/ What I am calling for: closer ties and negotiations and collaborative work.

Sorry what does this comment mean? I genuinely don't understand (not a native speaker). EDIT: Oh I think I get it, you want more cooperation, peace, among humans/countries etc. Yeah, most people want it, but in today's world, it is increasingly unlikely. On one hand, I don't like the fact that Western world emphasizes diversity and multiculturalism too much. We are too different, and forcing everyone to accept everyo…

Yeah you found the right word, peaceful coexistence :)

I'm maybe too dreamy, but I feel we are all prisoners on Earth, until we reach another planet.

And I believe game theory shows that prisoners are better collaborating ;)

As an entrepreneur, if I'd be running NVidia (or just investor in $NVDA), I'd be extremely annoyed that I am forbidden to sell my products to a large market, just because of political pressure.

Regarding your solutions and analysis, I don't know much about China politics other than gifs or memes that I saw on reddit, so I cannot say :D

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by samstave »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #52

Does that mean the US is acknowledging that Taiwan isn't China?

Maybe because the M2 is a TMSC made unit made in TW and there is no way Tim Apple is going to not be selling to the biggest market..

How is he going to make 5 Trillion in ShareHolder Value by 2025?

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We don't need to "officially" recognize Taiwan when many congress folks invest heavily there. Don't unplug the circuit that feeds you.

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https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/442...

Whit the the new delegation headed to Taiwan, they probably do not want to upset the Logan Act:

    The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized American citizens with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. The intent behind the Act is to prevent unauthorized negotiations from undermining the government’s position.[2] The Act was passed following George Logan’s unauthorized negotiations with France in 1798, and was signed into law by President John Adams on January 30, 1799. The Act was amended in 1994, changing the penalty for violation from “fined $5,000” to “fined under this title”; this appears to be the only amendment to the Act.[2] Violation of the Logan Act is a felony.
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If we officially recognize Taiwan - then we are in dispute with China - and that fucks up a lot of things.

Its also why certain investments are funneled through Proxy Countries, such has been done recently through Ukraine...

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by Victerius »

Guthur wrote: post #19
RosanaAnaDana wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More likely a landwar in asia.

Between whom? Hard to see any particular country having the desire or where for all to undertake such an endeavour.

China and India.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by modeless »

I'm starting to think it's a good idea to stock up on all the electronics you think you might need for the next decade. Because when China finally invades Taiwan, the supply of electronic devices worldwide is going to instantly disappear. How many electronic devices do you own that don't have any part of their supply chain in China or Taiwan or adjacent countries? The COVID shortages we all saw were practically business as usual compared to what may soon come...

I'm wondering what contingency plans US companies have for this? It seems to me like Apple would be screwed. Microsoft's hardware businesses would have problems. Google and Meta and Amazon are probably OK, though it may be tough to build and maintain datacenters, but everyone will be in the same boat.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by [deleted] »

samstave wrote: post #75

Serious Question: What about the Apple M[x] series things? The M2 integrates an Apple designed ten-core (or eight-core) graphics processing unit (GPU). Each GPU core is split into 32 execution units, which each contain eight arithmetic logic units (ALUs). In total, the M2 GPU contains up to 320 execution units or 2,560 ALUs, which have a maximum floating point (FP32) performance of 3.6 TFLOPs.

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Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by alphabetting »

Victerius wrote: post #78
alphabetting wrote: post #72

To me this is a pretty clear message that the US will defend Taiwan with full force.

Banning the export of sensitive technology is not exactly the equivalent to a MacArthurian full throated embrace of the nuclear arts to defend an ally. China's repeat statements about how it vows to bring Taiwan into the fold are like the gif of a truck about to crash from multiple angles that never actually crashes: https://c.tenor.com/cD8WqQ-ZGXcAAAAC/truck-crash.gif

At least to me this order shows the US govt is finally taking AI global implications seriously. And if they're taking those implications seriously, they will never let China have Taiwan.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

cpursley wrote: post #13

And so then Russia buys them via Armenia or Kazakstan for a 30% markup... The only way to really do this is to geo-fence disable the chips.

It would take them years to acquire the GPUs at the scale that they need them. By the time they do that they're 2 generations behind. It's about adding a barrier.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by bushbaba »

crazytalk wrote: post #76
nightfly wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol, how would geo-fencing even work/help here?

At the price of those things, bake a GPS IC deep into the chip

GPS wont get a signal in many datacenters given the amount of EM radiation

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by kurofune »

>On July 27th, Nancy & Paul Pelosi sold all 25,000 of their shares of Nvidia, $NVDA. Today $NVDA was told to restrict chip sales in China & Russia by the US Government on August 26. $NVDA is down 20% since their initial sale, -5% in after hours today.

https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/156511407338962534...

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by GenerocUsername »

willis936 wrote: post #22
wmf wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The regulations are revised on a regular basis so twenty years later maybe it's more like anything above a 3090 Ti. Also I suspect that "so powerful it's almost illegal" marketing back in the day was just marketing. It's possible that the US got wind of some military/dual-use supercomputers based on A100/H100 and decided to block them but that's just speculation.

How long would it take one A100 to crack RSA 2048?

With enough of them, only half the lifetime of the universe!
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