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US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by rvnx »

Very worrying to see the restrictions against China escalating;

Especially since China is incredibly advanced in hardware manufacturing and is not at war with the West.

At best, this is just pushing for escalation so they can restrict exports on their side too.

Even, for them. In one of their speech (in France, on a YouTube channel called Thinkerview for those who know), one of their representative quoted a Chinese proverb saying: "Nothing is more favourable than stability, nothing is more harmful than chaos".

Social stability, free markets and long-term peace are in the interest of both parties.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by willis936 »

wmf wrote: post #4
myself248 wrote: post #3

I thought anything above the processing power of a Playstation2 was export-controlled by default. Why these specifically?

The regulations are revised on a regular basis so twenty years later maybe it's more like anything above a 3090 Ti. Also I suspect that "so powerful it's almost illegal" marketing back in the day was just marketing. It's possible that the US got wind of some military/dual-use supercomputers based on A100/H100 and decided to block them but that's just speculation.

How long would it take one A100 to crack RSA 2048?

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by colechristensen »

azernik wrote: post #15
sombragris wrote: post #7

So Nvidia GPUs are banned in China, huh? I wonder where does Nvidia manufacture them...

Most of the chip fabs are in Taiwan, South Korea, or Japan; the work in China tends to be assembly and integration later in the manufacturing chain.

One would assume that this would force the highest end GPUs to not be assembled in China, probably just another (good) strategy to ensure these strategically important resources aren’t being manufactured by an adversary.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by mercy_dude »

vorpalhex wrote: post #12
mercy_dude wrote: post #6

Jokes on them. China should already have IP ownerships of these products just because of the fact that Nvidia has their manufacturing hubs based there. They will get the IP and then copy the product and sell them to the rest of the world in 1/10th of price. SEC is not stupid to not know this. May be they just want Nvidia stocks to go down so their already bought puts print now? Paul Pelosi recently bought those puts.

Taiwan is not PRC.

Oh but NVDA has operational hub in PRC. And by their law NVDA would be required to hand over the IP.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by moralestapia »

ajross wrote: post #17
cpursley wrote: post #13

And so then Russia buys them via Armenia or Kazakstan for a 30% markup... The only way to really do this is to geo-fence disable the chips.

Depends on what you're really trying to do. Having to pay that putative 30% markup on hardware is going to be a crippling disadvantage for a China-based AI product, for example.

Hmm ... kind of ...

Just buy less GPUs and run them for more time. It's not like GPU clusters are running at 100% anyway.

(Also, implying China does not have enough money to buy them like that)

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by immigrantheart »

rvnx wrote: post #21

Very worrying to see the restrictions against China escalating; Especially since China is incredibly advanced in hardware manufacturing and is not at war with the West. At best, this is just pushing for escalation so they can restrict exports on their side too. Even, for them. In one of their speech (in France, on a YouTube channel called Thinkerview for those who know), one of their representative quoted a Chinese p…

US is scared.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by thriftwy »

colechristensen wrote: post #18
thriftwy wrote: post #9

How on earth are they going to enforce that? Kazakhstan and Turkey are bound to become unusually large buyers of such GPUs.

Charging companies for evading sanctions and export controls is a pretty regular thing. It’s not about single units crossing the borders but large numbers which are much harder to hide and investigation of such things isn’t that hard.

What do you do with 100,000 central asian guest workers each carrying one GPU in their cabin baggage when they go to Russia for their construction gig?

Smuggling electronics beats smuggling drugs, danger-wise.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by rvnx »

immigrantheart wrote: post #26
rvnx wrote: post #21

Very worrying to see the restrictions against China escalating; Especially since China is incredibly advanced in hardware manufacturing and is not at war with the West. At best, this is just pushing for escalation so they can restrict exports on their side too. Even, for them. In one of their speech (in France, on a YouTube channel called Thinkerview for those who know), one of their representative quoted a Chinese p…

US is scared.

The world isn't really going in the right direction and any sign toward appeasing or pacification is crucial at such stage :/

What I am calling for: closer ties and negotiations and collaborative work.

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