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Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by posterboy »

boppo1 wrote: post #104
sho_hn wrote: post #82

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It does feel like art's disruptive "Calculator moment" is happening where you can now leave a lot of basic/mechanical tasks to a tool and give more focus to higher-minded problems. It's going to get so cool and interesting, I think. A lot of the conversation around art may focus more on composition and objectives of the artist in the new prompt engineering world, with less bias from factors such as rendition quality…

>basic/mechanical tasks to a tool and give more focus to higher-minded problems. >rendition quality... [is] so incidental. There's this thing in painting called 'mark making' and it can be the difference between an all-time-great painting and a throwaway portrait. Mark making speaks to every momentary choice of physical process a painter employs and reveals their thought process. For some of the greatest painters, it…

Surely this too can be instrumentalized to evoke emotions, stylized to ease execution or faked to justify a result.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by ComodoHacker »

nomel wrote: post #110
nabakin wrote: post #101

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Doesn't make sense to me why OpenAI has kept DALL-E closed source for so long. I can only guess either safety from misuse or leveraging it for money. At this rate though, Stable Diffusion is going to dwarf it

> I can only guess either safety from misuse I still don't understand what this would mean. Where are all of the terrible things that were supposed to happen, now that Stable Diffusion is available? We've been able to create completely photorealistic fiction for decades now. See any movie with CGI for an example of whole worlds, and people, that don't exist. The bar has gradually been lowering (see the amazing CGI th…

You have to wait a little bit more, until HD video synthesis is possible on a mid-range GPU. Then on a mid-range smartphone.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by tablespoon »

nomel wrote: post #110
nabakin wrote: post #101

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Doesn't make sense to me why OpenAI has kept DALL-E closed source for so long. I can only guess either safety from misuse or leveraging it for money. At this rate though, Stable Diffusion is going to dwarf it

> I can only guess either safety from misuse I still don't understand what this would mean. Where are all of the terrible things that were supposed to happen, now that Stable Diffusion is available? We've been able to create completely photorealistic fiction for decades now. See any movie with CGI for an example of whole worlds, and people, that don't exist. The bar has gradually been lowering (see the amazing CGI th…

>> I can only guess either safety from misuse

> I still don't understand what this would mean. Where are all of the terrible things that were supposed to happen, now that Stable Diffusion is available?

Mainly people making porn (e.g. stuff like deepnudes). It seems like a lot of work has gone into into preventing that (e.g. filtering porn out of training data, having porn-detection models to block porny output). There's also been a lot of talk about political fakes, etc, but I'm not sure how likely that is to actually happen at this point. I think one of the "selling points" of limiting access to DALL*E was that they could revoke access to people who they deemed to be misusing it.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by [deleted] »

nomel wrote: post #110
nabakin wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't make sense to me why OpenAI has kept DALL-E closed source for so long. I can only guess either safety from misuse or leveraging it for money. At this rate though, Stable Diffusion is going to dwarf it

> I can only guess either safety from misuse I still don't understand what this would mean. Where are all of the terrible things that were supposed to happen, now that Stable Diffusion is available? We've been able to create completely photorealistic fiction for decades now. See any movie with CGI for an example of whole worlds, and people, that don't exist. The bar has gradually been lowering (see the amazing CGI th…

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Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by aidenn0 »

boppo1 wrote: post #131
aidenn0 wrote: post #100

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My wife likes impressionists and sunflowers. "A lone sunflower in a grassy field at sunset oil painting claude monet" plus stable-diffusion and a few minutes of tweaking some settings; she now has a new desktop background.

I actually paint and spend a lot of time looking at 'serious' paintings. AI hasn't even scratched the field to a trained eye. Doesn't mean I'm not excited though. This kind-of feels like I'm watching the camera or printing press being invented. Everyone is comparing it to fine art, but I think ultimately it's going in a different and bigger direction.

What I did was, IMO, a different and bigger direction to fine art. I mean I could tell that this wasn't an impressionistic painting just given that some areas of the grass were too detailed. It looks "just fine" though to untrained eyes, which are well over 90% of the population.

1. How long would it have taken me to get good enough at painting to exceed what I generated in under an hour? How many people have the motivation to spend that time?

2. How much would I have had to pay an art student to make a painting better than what I generated in under an hour?

Ten million sub-par Monet knock-offs didn't exist, but could exist very shortly at minimal cost. Even if it never gets any better this is already potentially disruptive, and the models are getting better every month.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by posterboy »

bioemerl wrote: post #133
bottlepalm wrote: post #75

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There was a good example somewhere I can’t find, but of a really complex prompt that Dalle could understand, but SD couldn’t. Maybe some of the GPT-3 is being leveraged for parsing. Anyways I think it’s way too early to start taking sides. I enjoy using all these system.

One of SDs big limitations (understanding from what I had read about it) is positional prompts. dall-e seems to understand x on top of Y, but simple diffusion does not.

Ironically, "the cat is on the mat" is a conventional example sentence in linguistics of metonymy (semantics).

I have no examples but imagine things like at the top of his game are immensely problematic, albeit not very visual to begin with.

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Post by nomel »

nabakin wrote: post #123
nomel wrote: post #110

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> I can only guess either safety from misuse I still don't understand what this would mean. Where are all of the terrible things that were supposed to happen, now that Stable Diffusion is available? We've been able to create completely photorealistic fiction for decades now. See any movie with CGI for an example of whole worlds, and people, that don't exist. The bar has gradually been lowering (see the amazing CGI th…

While I think the fear might be overexaggerated, being able to make realistic fake content with such ease means it's harder to know what's true and what's not. Plus this has been the claim of OpenAI from the beginning. It's possible the true objective is to keep it private to leverage for money and this is just their excuse.

> means it's harder to know what's true and what's not

The danger for society is in not already knowing that is the case, since it's relatively trivial, without AI, to make fake content.

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Post by bornfreddy »

skybrian wrote: post #85
MacsHeadroom wrote: post #15

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Stable Diffusion is arguably better, has more features, and is free. OpenAI can't compete with free. Even if you don't want to take the 30 seconds to set it up in a free Google Colab environment, the paid DreamStudio version is still half the price of Dalle.

Running this at home is only free like mining cryptocurrency is free if you didn't buy your computer and don't pay for the electricity. Plus you can only run it on the computer that has the good graphics card, which probably isn't your laptop. I expect most people aren't going to be generating images all day, so using a cloud-based service for occasional use will still make a lot of sense. Stable Diffusion offers a p…

Not sure if GP had this in mind, but SD is (more) free in terms of liberty. So yes, you pay with electricity and hardware, but you control the process yourself, which is invaluable. DALL-E could change or go offline at any time.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by nabakin »

nomel wrote: post #147
nabakin wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I think the fear might be overexaggerated, being able to make realistic fake content with such ease means it's harder to know what's true and what's not. Plus this has been the claim of OpenAI from the beginning. It's possible the true objective is to keep it private to leverage for money and this is just their excuse.

> means it's harder to know what's true and what's not The danger for society is in not already knowing that is the case, since it's relatively trivial, without AI, to make fake content.

Well sure, I think that's dangerous too. I think more people should be skeptical of the images and content they consume in addition to it being a problem that truth is harder to discern.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by Analemma_ »

nabakin wrote: post #101
woeirua wrote: post #84

Meanwhile someone has already built a photoshop plugin for Stable Diffusion that you can use today to do basically the _exact_ same thing: https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/wyduk1/sho...

Doesn't make sense to me why OpenAI has kept DALL-E closed source for so long. I can only guess either safety from misuse or leveraging it for money. At this rate though, Stable Diffusion is going to dwarf it

It's sort of both. OpenAI, being an outgrowth of the AI doomerist community, does have a bunch of people who really do think the technology is too dangerous to be given to the masses. This happens to mesh perfectly with the other group of people at OpenAI who want to make tons of revenue. It's a harmonious alignment for everyone! Except, y'know, us.
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