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Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Couldn't happen to a more deserving group of people. Good riddance. Squatting the name "open" and trying to reap the benefits therein while being anything but.

I've been complaining for years about WikiLeaks not being a wiki -- no one wants to listen....

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Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Feels like a race to the bottom. More features, lower cost, every week. No idea where it’ll level out, but I like it. Just bought some more Dalle credits today because it’s so much fun. This is a revolution in ‘art technology’ it’s like Steve Job’s bicycle for the mind. Best I could do a month ago was a stick figure in MS Paint, but now..

Stable Diffusion is arguably better, has more features, and is free. OpenAI can't compete with free. Even if you don't want to take the 30 seconds to set it up in a free Google Colab environment, the paid DreamStudio version is still half the price of Dalle.

I find Stable Diffusion better overall, but it has downsides. Stable Diffusion tends to be more creative than DALL-E, but does a lousy job of following directions, especially complex ones. DALL-E is good if I know what I want specifically.

I can think of ways to fix Stable Diffusion since it's open-source. I think I could bridge the gaps as I see them in about a weekend of hacking. I'm not sure when I'll get that weekend.

(Footnote: What I want to do is not something I can explain without a technical blog-post-length document or a zoom call; it's about the same level of complexity as the other major SD hacks we've seen)

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Feels like a race to the bottom. More features, lower cost, every week. No idea where it’ll level out, but I like it. Just bought some more Dalle credits today because it’s so much fun. This is a revolution in ‘art technology’ it’s like Steve Job’s bicycle for the mind. Best I could do a month ago was a stick figure in MS Paint, but now..

> Best I could do a month ago was a stick figure in MS Paint That is still the best you can do... which happens to be about the best I can do! Just like my introduction to the computer at a young age has atrophied my handwriting quality.

I guess if we’re going to get into semantics and the definition of self, where does the ‘I’ end and something else begin then I don’t really do anything. You could also say I can’t walk either without the ground.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Feels like a race to the bottom. More features, lower cost, every week. No idea where it’ll level out, but I like it. Just bought some more Dalle credits today because it’s so much fun. This is a revolution in ‘art technology’ it’s like Steve Job’s bicycle for the mind. Best I could do a month ago was a stick figure in MS Paint, but now..

Stable Diffusion is arguably better, has more features, and is free. OpenAI can't compete with free. Even if you don't want to take the 30 seconds to set it up in a free Google Colab environment, the paid DreamStudio version is still half the price of Dalle.

There was a good example somewhere I can’t find, but of a really complex prompt that Dalle could understand, but SD couldn’t. Maybe some of the GPT-3 is being leveraged for parsing.

Anyways I think it’s way too early to start taking sides. I enjoy using all these system.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Stable Diffusion is arguably better, has more features, and is free. OpenAI can't compete with free. Even if you don't want to take the 30 seconds to set it up in a free Google Colab environment, the paid DreamStudio version is still half the price of Dalle.

Do you know the best Google Colab tutorial / repo?

Hi, there are a couple of good UIs. https://github.com/cmdr2/stable-diffusion-ui is an easy-to-install and use tool, written by me (with contributions by many). Version 2 is in beta, which is a 1-click installer for Windows, no dependencies or command line needed. v2 beta: https://github.com/cmdr2/stable-diffusion-ui/tree/v2

https://github.com/hlky/stable-diffusion is another popular and good tool.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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It's a race to the top. New functionality is added and the model is improved week over week.

That's still a race to the bottom if the price isn't going up.

Race to the bottom implies that they're only competing on price. Here, they're competing on new functionality as well. If DALL-E's outputs were substantially better than Stable Diffusion, more people would use it, even if it cost more.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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I thought their research actually is open, at least? That's still something...

Their research is closed -- they don't release model weights, nor in most cases the training or model scripts. Certain things they release, just like any other for-profit research firm.

I don't see what it has to do with profit since this is pretty normal in academia too. Scientists will often publish papers, but not everything they do.

"Open" is not well-defined.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Stable Diffusion is arguably better, has more features, and is free. OpenAI can't compete with free. Even if you don't want to take the 30 seconds to set it up in a free Google Colab environment, the paid DreamStudio version is still half the price of Dalle.

I find Stable Diffusion better overall, but it has downsides. Stable Diffusion tends to be more creative than DALL-E, but does a lousy job of following directions, especially complex ones. DALL-E is good if I know what I want specifically. I can think of ways to fix Stable Diffusion since it's open-source. I think I could bridge the gaps as I see them in about a weekend of hacking. I'm not sure when I'll get that wee…

Setting a high cfg parameter, like 13, drastically helps with the prompt following.

That said, for me, I agree that dalle does much better pencil sketches.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Feels like a race to the bottom. More features, lower cost, every week. No idea where it’ll level out, but I like it. Just bought some more Dalle credits today because it’s so much fun. This is a revolution in ‘art technology’ it’s like Steve Job’s bicycle for the mind. Best I could do a month ago was a stick figure in MS Paint, but now..

Stable Diffusion is arguably better, has more features, and is free. OpenAI can't compete with free. Even if you don't want to take the 30 seconds to set it up in a free Google Colab environment, the paid DreamStudio version is still half the price of Dalle.

I don't think Stable Diffusion is technologically better yet.

Sure, both SD and Midjourney produce absolutely beautiful artworks most of the time. But if you want something specific and out of the ordinary it takes a lot of attempts and promptcrafting (and sometimes you are unable to accomplish what you want at all).

However, my experience is that these prompts (which SD/MJ struggles with) often produce good results in Dalle2 even on the first try.

Of course, OpenAI has very limiting content policy. But if I have something very specific in mind and it passes their rules I currently chose Dalle-2. Even though I've spent much more time with SD.

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