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DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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That's still a race to the bottom if the price isn't going up.

Price would have gone up if SD wasn't open source, look at the new google collab pro limitations and you have indications that they're loving this new wave for milking it properly, I just ordered a GPU to run on local.

I don't think so, Colab pro limitations are precisely because they weren't charging by compute unit, so they were over-subscribed.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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I think Dall-E would benefit from a "sketch-based" prompt in addition the text based. This was mindblowing - https://andys.page/posts/how-to-draw/

It does feel like art's disruptive "Calculator moment" is happening where you can now leave a lot of basic/mechanical tasks to a tool and give more focus to higher-minded problems.

It's going to get so cool and interesting, I think.

A lot of the conversation around art may focus more on composition and objectives of the artist in the new prompt engineering world, with less bias from factors such as rendition quality etc. creeping in since it's so incidental.

New forms of art will emerge and/or gain popularity that focus on trying things the tools aren't good at yet. The human artist of the gaps. The niches will constantly be shifting.

I wonder if we'll learn to recognize the output of certain popular models and perceive them as instruments. "Made by xy on z" instead of "xz on guitar", so to speak. I remember the 90s/early 00s internet when it was always easy to tell when something had been done on Flash, just because of its line anti-aliasing rendition style being so distinct and familiar.

The novelty will wear off, and we'll all start to feel a bit disappointed that the average human's imagination is pretty limited and novel/original ideas remain somewhat rare as the patterns and tropes in all the generated art emerge. It's great you can put the space needle where you want it and get a good-looking city and space ship, but how many variations of a cyberpunky skyline with a space ship do you need? And then we'll celebrate the novel stuff that does happen, as always. I suppose the tropes will evolve faster as the throughput goes up.

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Feels like a race to the bottom. More features, lower cost, every week. No idea where it’ll level out, but I like it. Just bought some more Dalle credits today because it’s so much fun. This is a revolution in ‘art technology’ it’s like Steve Job’s bicycle for the mind. Best I could do a month ago was a stick figure in MS Paint, but now..

I feel like you aren't using the phrase "race to the bottom" correctly here. Generally a race to the bottom implies some kind of detrimental outcome for the world as a result of people failing to internalize externalities generated by a business.

It has to do with commoditization and decreasing costs. Taking something technologically sophisticated and having it become open source and accessible so quickly is going from the top of the pyramid - big companies gate keeping betas, to the bottom - the public, available to everyone, cheaply. These companies are desperately trying to monetize this technology, but the value in terms of what people will pay is falling fast. It might not be a sustainable business model for OpenAI or anyone else for very long. Hence the race to the bottom - quickly make a buck before you can’t.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Feels like a race to the bottom. More features, lower cost, every week. No idea where it’ll level out, but I like it. Just bought some more Dalle credits today because it’s so much fun. This is a revolution in ‘art technology’ it’s like Steve Job’s bicycle for the mind. Best I could do a month ago was a stick figure in MS Paint, but now..

Stable Diffusion is arguably better, has more features, and is free. OpenAI can't compete with free. Even if you don't want to take the 30 seconds to set it up in a free Google Colab environment, the paid DreamStudio version is still half the price of Dalle.

Running this at home is only free like mining cryptocurrency is free if you didn't buy your computer and don't pay for the electricity. Plus you can only run it on the computer that has the good graphics card, which probably isn't your laptop.

I expect most people aren't going to be generating images all day, so using a cloud-based service for occasional use will still make a lot of sense.

Stable Diffusion offers a paid service to do this too, and there's nothing wrong with that business model. Prices will probably come down, though.

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Do you know the best Google Colab tutorial / repo?

Hi, there are a couple of good UIs. https://github.com/cmdr2/stable-diffusion-ui is an easy-to-install and use tool, written by me (with contributions by many). Version 2 is in beta, which is a 1-click installer for Windows, no dependencies or command line needed. v2 beta: https://github.com/cmdr2/stable-diffusion-ui/tree/v2 https://github.com/hlky/stable-diffusion is another popular and good tool.

Thank you!

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Feels like a race to the bottom. More features, lower cost, every week. No idea where it’ll level out, but I like it. Just bought some more Dalle credits today because it’s so much fun. This is a revolution in ‘art technology’ it’s like Steve Job’s bicycle for the mind. Best I could do a month ago was a stick figure in MS Paint, but now..

Stable Diffusion is arguably better, has more features, and is free. OpenAI can't compete with free. Even if you don't want to take the 30 seconds to set it up in a free Google Colab environment, the paid DreamStudio version is still half the price of Dalle.

Better in what way? I tried 10 prompts that returned good results in DALLE, but nothing good in stable diffusion.

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How long until we can run this over shows like Star Trek Voyager/DS9 and Seinfeld to achieve believable 16:9 scenes?

Someone has been upscaling DS9 already[1]. Obviously not release anywhere. Not sure I'd want them in 16:9, hd 4:3 like the other HD releases of TNG and TOS would do me. I understand they shot on video so an official true HD remaster is likely to never happen. 1. https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/324466-tutorial-how-to-u...

I don't have a deep understanding of how training models work, but I wonder if training a model with every frame of TNG and then outpaint it into 16:9 would work.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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That’s not what a race to the bottom is. It’s just competition, which is usually good.

It often feels like words are losing their meaning, with everyone misusing terms they don't fully understand. I don't want to be a doomer and have have surely unknowingly misused terms as well, but its definitely noticable how these originally clearly defined terms are getting used in entirely new ways. And it's not just with technical terms like this, it also applies to originally obvious terms such as racism, sexis…

I can understand the criticism about technical terms (they work better if stable and precise), but regarding the rest: that's just how language works. You can't (and shouldn't) expect words to keep their original meaning forever.

For example, the word "term" comes from the original latin "terminus" that means "end" or "boundary". It only got the meaning you used it for centuries after it was first used in English. See: https://www.etymonline.com/word/term

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Stable Diffusion is arguably better, has more features, and is free. OpenAI can't compete with free. Even if you don't want to take the 30 seconds to set it up in a free Google Colab environment, the paid DreamStudio version is still half the price of Dalle.

Better in what way? I tried 10 prompts that returned good results in DALLE, but nothing good in stable diffusion.

Seconded. I got awesome results in making "artwork in the style of Yoshitaka Amano" in DALLE but horrible ones in Stable Diffusion. Maybe the prompt was incorrect there (it would be great if these were more discoverable), but they art in SD was lacking.
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