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Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by boppo1 »

aidenn0 wrote: post #100
siavosh wrote: post #34

A few weeks ago I was skeptical that this technology would get past the emotional response we get from procedurally generated game environments, but I've been convinced otherwise. The emotional response I get from some of the best of these images are novel and thought provoking. Makes me wonder what percent of what makes us human is now algorithmically solved....

My wife likes impressionists and sunflowers. "A lone sunflower in a grassy field at sunset oil painting claude monet" plus stable-diffusion and a few minutes of tweaking some settings; she now has a new desktop background.

I actually paint and spend a lot of time looking at 'serious' paintings. AI hasn't even scratched the field to a trained eye.

Doesn't mean I'm not excited though. This kind-of feels like I'm watching the camera or printing press being invented. Everyone is comparing it to fine art, but I think ultimately it's going in a different and bigger direction.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by thethimble »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #118
amelius wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn't OpenAI supposed to "democratize deep learning"? It seems more like they were trying to accomplish the opposite.

It's in their interest to posture that way publicly while controlling scarcity of access where there's financial upside to

Exclusively licensing GPT-3 to Microsoft seems like a clear example of this.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/09/23/1008729/openai-i...

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by bioemerl »

bottlepalm wrote: post #75
MacsHeadroom wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stable Diffusion is arguably better, has more features, and is free. OpenAI can't compete with free. Even if you don't want to take the 30 seconds to set it up in a free Google Colab environment, the paid DreamStudio version is still half the price of Dalle.

There was a good example somewhere I can’t find, but of a really complex prompt that Dalle could understand, but SD couldn’t. Maybe some of the GPT-3 is being leveraged for parsing. Anyways I think it’s way too early to start taking sides. I enjoy using all these system.

One of SDs big limitations (understanding from what I had read about it) is positional prompts. dall-e seems to understand x on top of Y, but simple diffusion does not.

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Post by nabakin »

password54321 wrote: post #129
nabakin wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I think the fear might be overexaggerated, being able to make realistic fake content with such ease means it's harder to know what's true and what's not. Plus this has been the claim of OpenAI from the beginning. It's possible the true objective is to keep it private to leverage for money and this is just their excuse.

And how often does this happen with Photoshopped images that aren't immediately disproven?

My grandmother once emailed my family frantically after she saw a picture of the Abraham Lincoln statue defaced with graffiti. Obviously that was a Photoshop, and in this case, even a bad one, but clearly fake images and content make it harder to discern truth

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by bioemerl »

benreesman wrote: post #97
bottlepalm wrote: post #11

Feels like a race to the bottom. More features, lower cost, every week. No idea where it’ll level out, but I like it. Just bought some more Dalle credits today because it’s so much fun. This is a revolution in ‘art technology’ it’s like Steve Job’s bicycle for the mind. Best I could do a month ago was a stick figure in MS Paint, but now..

I share your enthusiasm for this development but curious what you mean by race to the bottom? There does seem to be a lot of vague angst about how this will affect the nascent "Prompt Engineer" career track, but I hope most are comfortable letting the open innovation play out a bit before trying to personally monetize it..

> race to the bottom?

In this context it's a good race. This software seems to have caught fire and tons of people are playing with it and providing tons of crazy new tools for cheap or free.

It's a race to the top for us.

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Post by posterboy »

sho_hn wrote: post #82
ckluis wrote: post #59

I think Dall-E would benefit from a "sketch-based" prompt in addition the text based. This was mindblowing - https://andys.page/posts/how-to-draw/

It does feel like art's disruptive "Calculator moment" is happening where you can now leave a lot of basic/mechanical tasks to a tool and give more focus to higher-minded problems. It's going to get so cool and interesting, I think. A lot of the conversation around art may focus more on composition and objectives of the artist in the new prompt engineering world, with less bias from factors such as rendition quality…

It's not as if generative art is new. Nor is figurative painting relevant anymore since the invention of the camera. A basic Burger joint in Gerhard Richter kind of style transfer is very much derivative. This isn't bad in view of the classics, but it's more like art-work to me.

The true artists in this one are the coders, no doubt (corrolar to the inteligence debate).

On the other hand, you mention an important point with layout but you underestimate the progress these days. Surely there are companies who are working on automated design beyond CAD (computer aided design), eg. for specialized antenna.

> we'll all start to feel a bit disappointed that the average human's imagination is pretty limited and novel/original ideas remain somewhat rare as the patterns and tropes in all the generated art emerge

Well, one might argue that Richter's most highly priced piece looks a little like prehistoric art of the pleistocene. It's a little vain to mention it, because I can much better relate to the more basic form, of course. A more frequently sore point would be the pop music industry between professionals and the amateurish.

Anyway, this may be thinking too big. For the time being, the bunch of techniques is better understood as a toolbox, because it will be a long time before it trumps demo-scene productions, for instance. Here it is the technique that counts more often than not. The rest is an acquired taste.

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Post by andybak »

davidwparker wrote: post #90
irrational wrote: post #87

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Better in what way? I tried 10 prompts that returned good results in DALLE, but nothing good in stable diffusion.

Seconded. I got awesome results in making "artwork in the style of Yoshitaka Amano" in DALLE but horrible ones in Stable Diffusion. Maybe the prompt was incorrect there (it would be great if these were more discoverable), but they art in SD was lacking.

SD definitely needs more coaxing and naive prompts tend not to fare as well as with Dall-E.

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Post by shawndrost »

nomel wrote: post #110
nabakin wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't make sense to me why OpenAI has kept DALL-E closed source for so long. I can only guess either safety from misuse or leveraging it for money. At this rate though, Stable Diffusion is going to dwarf it

> I can only guess either safety from misuse I still don't understand what this would mean. Where are all of the terrible things that were supposed to happen, now that Stable Diffusion is available? We've been able to create completely photorealistic fiction for decades now. See any movie with CGI for an example of whole worlds, and people, that don't exist. The bar has gradually been lowering (see the amazing CGI th…

Stable Diffusion allows anyone to make kiddie porn with a half-second of curiosity/effort. Maybe you didn't know about that, maybe you think it's NBD, but in any case, that is the tire fire which aspiring AI majors want to avoid.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by hadlock »

nabakin wrote: post #101
woeirua wrote: post #84

Meanwhile someone has already built a photoshop plugin for Stable Diffusion that you can use today to do basically the _exact_ same thing: https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/wyduk1/sho...

Doesn't make sense to me why OpenAI has kept DALL-E closed source for so long. I can only guess either safety from misuse or leveraging it for money. At this rate though, Stable Diffusion is going to dwarf it

OpenAI isn't open at all, it's just named that way to attract attention, like the bright green "FREE BIKES and rentals" place near fisherman's warf in SF

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by [deleted] »

nomel wrote: post #110
nabakin wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't make sense to me why OpenAI has kept DALL-E closed source for so long. I can only guess either safety from misuse or leveraging it for money. At this rate though, Stable Diffusion is going to dwarf it

> I can only guess either safety from misuse I still don't understand what this would mean. Where are all of the terrible things that were supposed to happen, now that Stable Diffusion is available? We've been able to create completely photorealistic fiction for decades now. See any movie with CGI for an example of whole worlds, and people, that don't exist. The bar has gradually been lowering (see the amazing CGI th…

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