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Re: Tuning out: How brains benefit from meditation

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[I'm sleepy so bear with me.] Meditation is extremely easy - for a while. I'm interested in it, I try to do it regularly, but it's not easy to return to it every day, or during a busy day. We see a news article about it, we talk about it, some of us will try it for a while, but in a month from now, all of us will be at the same point as right now - not doing it anymore. It's hard to stress how important is to practic…

I use the iPhone app called 'Soto Timer' when I'm away. It's free and allows you to configure multiple periods (so you can sit, rest or kinhin, sit, rest or kinhin etc)

Sitting every day is most important. There is no substitute for this. A good way to convince yourself of the benefits, and to reinvigorate your practice, is to throw yourself into the deep end and do a retreat. The 'container' of a 'retreat' (retreat is an inadequate word, if you've ever done a proper retreat you'll know why) allows you to sit for extended periods and remain mindful when doing other simple activities like cutting food for your lunch.

As you said though, meditation is a 'practice'. There is no 'attainment' - if you're not practicing, the benefits are basically nil. As such, you need to practice for it to be worthwhile.

The best time to sit is first thing in the morning. Set your alarm, get out of bed (no excuses) and sit down. This is good for two reasons. 1) if you do nothing else all day, at least you've done your meditation and 2) as you've not had a chance to distract yourself yet, you're more likely to remain present. Of course you'll distract yourself with your plans for your day and convince yourself that you don't have time for this, that you're too tired, but these are just stories like all the others you tell yourself. Let them go, and return to your breath, again and again and again.

Re: Tuning out: How brains benefit from meditation

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post #67

[I'm sleepy so bear with me.] Meditation is extremely easy - for a while. I'm interested in it, I try to do it regularly, but it's not easy to return to it every day, or during a busy day. We see a news article about it, we talk about it, some of us will try it for a while, but in a month from now, all of us will be at the same point as right now - not doing it anymore. It's hard to stress how important is to practic…

I use the iPhone app called 'Soto Timer' when I'm away. It's free and allows you to configure multiple periods (so you can sit, rest or kinhin, sit, rest or kinhin etc) Sitting every day is most important. There is no substitute for this. A good way to convince yourself of the benefits, and to reinvigorate your practice, is to throw yourself into the deep end and do a retreat. The 'container' of a 'retreat' (retreat…

This is true. To sit right after getting out of bed in the morning, that actually might be the only chance for a regular practice, in this hectic material world. One usually has to visit the bathroom, and that can be enough for the day thoughts and habits to fully kick in - one grabs a tea, a piece of dark organic chocolate, talks with their partner, pets their dog - realizing few hours later or sometime during the day (if at all), that he actually skipped a sitting, but despite that, morning is most probably the best time. I know, once the initial one or two-week period is fought through, then the energies are different and practicing is easier ... at least until life creates its next whirlpool day and kicks one off the track. Waves. Anyway. Meditation is the art of coming back after losing track, in micro (the practice) and in macro (the waves), and the great thing is, that every next wave is better, because one puts to use what he has learnt before.

Re: Tuning out: How brains benefit from meditation

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[I'm sleepy so bear with me.] Meditation is extremely easy - for a while. I'm interested in it, I try to do it regularly, but it's not easy to return to it every day, or during a busy day. We see a news article about it, we talk about it, some of us will try it for a while, but in a month from now, all of us will be at the same point as right now - not doing it anymore. It's hard to stress how important is to practic…

I wrote https://market.android.com/details?id=com.nwalex.meditation because I wanted to motivate myself to meditate more regularly. Prior to having the app, I'd manage maybe 10 days in a row, before finding some reason to skip a day (too busy, too tired, etc). Now I very rarely skip a day. As to whether or not it works long term, I've been using it for over a year, and it's still working for me. But then, it is custom built for my personality. My competitive nature means I never want to 'break the chain'. YMMV.

Re: Tuning out: How brains benefit from meditation

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Meditation affects people differently; for a few people it is associated with seizures or other problems. See this article for more info: http://www.sfweekly.com/content/printVersion/313883

That article highlights the need for having a good teacher, and teaching meditation together with ethical guidelines. It also smells very much like someone has something to lose by meditations rising popularity (ie, drug companies pushing the mentioned Prozac). It's full of slimy, non commital wording (like many, a lot and some) and also full of experiences that are made to sound terribly negative but don't really matter at all.

Meditation _can_ make you hallucinate, it _can_ make you burst into tears or fits of laughter, it can do a lot of things (although I've never known meditation to CAUSE seizures?! Come on... Show me some proof of that.) That is why working with a _good_ teacher is very important. In their 40+ years of experience, they've been there. You have to apply to go on our retreats, and if a teacher, for whatever reason, doesn't think it's a good idea that you go, then he or she will encourage you not to and if it was required would prevent you from going, although I've never known it to come to this. There are probably people that need to go to a counselor, therapist or psychologist before sitting with themselves for long periods.

Furthermore (and in my humble opinion) you should get the hell away from any meditation teacher that implies you're channeling a spirit guide or speaking to God. There's some fruity 'Guru's' out there. Do your research. Don't believe or expect miracles. Don't submit to anyone. Act ethically at all times and take some responsibility for your own actions.

Re: Tuning out: How brains benefit from meditation

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I'm getting increasingly interested in meditation, mainly because it seems like it could make me use my brain better. I have no clue where to start though. Anyone has info to share? I'm a total noob to this. Thanks!

Sit at end of a chair, your lower back straight (so your whole back forms the natural, self-supporting "S"). Make your palms rest on your thighs or knees, in a way where your arms don't place strain on your sitting position. The rest doesn't matter, over time you will experiment and find what suits you best - opened eyes vs closed eyes, etc. etc. I prefer opened eyes as closed eyes make me sleepy/dreamy. Briefly realize, that for a few minutes starting now, nothing in the whole world matters to you, except of what you are going to do right now. Look inside. Initially, your random thoughts are a great help because you can observe them. By observing them, you can be sure that you are indeed looking inside. Their natural reaction upon their observation is their dissipation and vanishing. Whenever you read a thought, hear a sound, or see an image, only focus your attention on it, which makes it dissipate. At one point your mind will be cleared. That is OK, just be. Don't "try" to stay in that state. Don't "try" anything. Just when a new thought pops up, focus your attention to it until it dissipates - this is usually a very quick process. Rinse and repeat. :) (edit: by focusing attention I don't mean entertaining the thought, entering it, but rather only observing it from the outside, just knowing that it's there, this is a very subtle effort.) (edit2: one more thing - eventually you're going to be finding yourself thinking about something, building air castles, day dreaming, etc. - always just bring yourself back into the practice, right upon realizing that your have strayed.)

Re: Tuning out: How brains benefit from meditation

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[I'm sleepy so bear with me.] Meditation is extremely easy - for a while. I'm interested in it, I try to do it regularly, but it's not easy to return to it every day, or during a busy day. We see a news article about it, we talk about it, some of us will try it for a while, but in a month from now, all of us will be at the same point as right now - not doing it anymore. It's hard to stress how important is to practic…

I wrote https://market.android.com/details?id=com.nwalex.meditation because I wanted to motivate myself to meditate more regularly. Prior to having the app, I'd manage maybe 10 days in a row, before finding some reason to skip a day (too busy, too tired, etc). Now I very rarely skip a day. As to whether or not it works long term, I've been using it for over a year, and it's still working for me. But then, it is custo…

I'm an iPhone user, but I'm moving to Android (via Galaxy Nexus) very soon, and I think your app will be one of the first ones I install. And it's great to hear that it helps you practicing for over a year, that's just wonderful. Do you have intervals of more days in a row when you don't practice at all? One idea for the app - build a reminder into it - but a random one. One that sounds an alarm at unexpected time of day. This might be great for cheating the evading mind.

Re: Tuning out: How brains benefit from meditation

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I'm getting increasingly interested in meditation, mainly because it seems like it could make me use my brain better. I have no clue where to start though. Anyone has info to share? I'm a total noob to this. Thanks!

I thought this excerpt from a Krishnamurti talk (found in a link from this thread: http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teachings/view-tex...) sums up meditation perfectly:

"To learn about meditation, you have to see how your mind is working. You have to watch, as you watch a lizard going by, walking across the wall. You see all its four feet, how it sticks to the wall, and as you watch, you see all the movements. In the same way, watch your thinking. Do not correct it. Do not suppress it. Do not say, ``All this is too difficult''. Just watch; now, this morning.

First of all sit absolutely still. Sit comfortably, cross your legs, sit absolutely still, close your eyes, and see if you can keep your eyes from moving. You understand? Your eye balls are apt to move, keep them completely quiet, for fun. Then, as you sit very quietly, find out what your thought is doing. Watch it as you watched the lizard. Watch thought, the way it runs, one thought after another. So you begin to learn, to observe.

Are you watching your thoughts - how one thought pursues another thought, thought saying, ``This is a good thought, this is a bad thought''? When you go to bed at night, and when you walk, watch your thought. Just watch thought, do not correct it, and then you will learn the beginning of meditation. Now sit very quietly. Shut your eyes and see that the eyeballs do not move at all. Then watch your thoughts so that you learn. Once you begin to learn there is no end to learning."

Re: Tuning out: How brains benefit from meditation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say we're half evolved. We have this facility and don't know how to properly control it. It's a byproduct of some other facility (the ability to communicate).

I don't see any link between (1) communication and (2) my mind wandering away from my immediate surroundings and settling on an outstanding problem I have. My mind could (and occasionally does) wander over a million other things in my brain (e.g. past memories, imagining the future, or the feel of my clothes on my body) but predominantly focuses on outstanding problems, so I tend to think this is a highly purposeful…

It may indeed serve a useful purpose to have a wandering mind, but as the article points out "the hallmarks of many forms of mental illness is a preoccupation with one's own thoughts", i.e. perhaps the issue is the extent to which one's mind wanders. Not all minds wander equally.

Personally, my wandering mind has been my greatest strength and my greatest weakness (anxiety, worry, jumping to conclusions, all or nothing thinking, etc.). I spend too much time in my head and not enough time grounding myself in reality to the point where there is serious disconnect in my awareness and mindfulness of situations (which has caused all kinds of serious grief in my life). Meditation has been recommended to me numerous times, and based on this article it looks like it's something I want to explore.

Re: Tuning out: How brains benefit from meditation

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I'm getting increasingly interested in meditation, mainly because it seems like it could make me use my brain better. I have no clue where to start though. Anyone has info to share? I'm a total noob to this. Thanks!

There's an excellent introductory talk that was delivered by Jon Kabat-Zinn for Google. It's available at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nwwKbM_vJc
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