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Tuning out: How brains benefit from meditation

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Re: Tuning out: How brains benefit from meditation

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> Bringing the mind to its unmoved state, a state of no-thought, leads to an indescribable bliss. Do you have evidence to support this claim? I can empty my mind, and it is not blissful. It is nothing. > A wandering mind is more prone to distraction, which can be fatal. Assuming, of course, we are speaking of survival factors. Tradeoffs. Personally, I would want to be distracted by an event that might otherwise prove…

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Re: Tuning out: How brains benefit from meditation

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The two areas highlighted in the article show prefrontal cortex (front of brain) and PCC (towards the back) shutting down. The prefrontal cortex is associated with executive attention and reasoning, while PCC appears to be differentially dialed up or down in conditions with altered states of consciousness (like people under anesthesia, in a coma, or apparently meditating.) Shameless plug: We're using these neuroscien…

Of course, the very idea of tracking and working on "improving" via meditation goes against the core idea of zen meditation itself. But I'm interested in your startup anyway. :) edit: in fairness, there are many types of meditation beyond zen.

Isn't enlightenment the ultimate form of self improvement? Maybe you are practicing a different form of Zen than what I am used to. I don't think tracking itself is anti-Zen, but stressing out about your measurements would be. (also worrying about what is and is not Zen seems anti-Zen).

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I'm getting increasingly interested in meditation, mainly because it seems like it could make me use my brain better. I have no clue where to start though. Anyone has info to share? I'm a total noob to this. Thanks!

Please read my other comment on this thread with some links to articles that might interest you. - http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3264078

Krishnamurti has a lot to say about meditation, I also recommend the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, the Bhagavad Gita (Jack Hawley translation is very thorough, it's subtitled A Walkthrough for Westerners) and lastly The Upanishads (the one with commentary by Eknath Easwaran is excellent.)

Re: Tuning out: How brains benefit from meditation

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The real question is whether it's a good thing to stop "mind wandering" when it hasn't reached the level of disorder. From the perspective of evolution, it almost certainly has a purpose. Paul Graham pointed out that its probably useful for problem solving: http://www.paulgraham.com/top.html I wonder if it would be good to have the ability to better focus one's self when one's mind is wandering into unproductive subj…

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The real question is whether it's a good thing to stop "mind wandering" when it hasn't reached the level of disorder. From the perspective of evolution, it almost certainly has a purpose. Paul Graham pointed out that its probably useful for problem solving: http://www.paulgraham.com/top.html I wonder if it would be good to have the ability to better focus one's self when one's mind is wandering into unproductive subj…

meditation is not about clearing your mind and stopping it from wandering (although that is a basic way of practising it), it is about understanding the nature of your mind and how to control it. it is control of your mental state the same way types of yoga are control over your physical body.

if was about stopping the mind from wandering only, well there are drugs for that.

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>This empty state of mind allows for better problem-solving This is the claim I'd like evidence for.

I'm not aware of any studies here, but it's been said many times that solutions to tough problems often present themselves while the ponderer isn't thinking about the problem, sometimes upon waking up or just before falling asleep.

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I'm getting increasingly interested in meditation, mainly because it seems like it could make me use my brain better. I have no clue where to start though. Anyone has info to share? I'm a total noob to this. Thanks!

Sit in a comfortable position, if possible on a cushion, on the floor, with three solid points of contact (your butt and your knees). Relax. Pay special attention to your shoulders, neck and throat. Straighten your back, let your stomach and butt hang out. Close your eyes 3/4 and let them go out of focus. Take a deep breath in and let it go. Then breath in again, counting 'one' to yourself, breath out and count 'two'. Keep doing this until you get to ten, then start again. When you get distracted by thoughts, start again at one. If you go past ten, start again at one. If you notice a conversation in your head underneath or behind or above the counting, start again at one. If there is anything other than the counting, start again at one. Just one. Just two. Just three.

Start sitting for five minutes twice a day and build up from there. Longer is better, but only if you stick to it. Don't get annoyed at yourself when you get distracted. Don't get proud if you don't. Don't think you are doing anything special. Just count your breath.

If you would like to learn more, search for 'Taking the path of Zen' where the late Robert Aitken goes into detail about Zen meditation and talks about positions and stretches to help you to comfortably sit in them.

If you are serious about this, find a teacher and a group to sit with. Not only will it make you more likely to sit, a good teacher can offer you advice you'll never find on a message board. Specific advice that is specific to you.

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I've pondered the same thing. However, personally from meditation I feel I have greater focus, a clearer mind, and less stress (or a much better handle on stress), which I couldn't imagine being without today. Concerning shower-insights -- I find myself having less mind wandering in the shower, and instead more deliberate focused insights.

Then what evolutionary purpose do you think mind-wandering serves? We clearly tend to think about various current problems of ours (whether technical, social, or other) when our mind wanders; it's not an accident.

I'd say we're half evolved. We have this facility and don't know how to properly control it. It's a byproduct of some other facility (the ability to communicate).

Re: Tuning out: How brains benefit from meditation

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I'm getting increasingly interested in meditation, mainly because it seems like it could make me use my brain better. I have no clue where to start though. Anyone has info to share? I'm a total noob to this. Thanks!

Grab some Alan Watts tapes and read Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind (http://www.amazon.com/dp/0834800799)!
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