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TikTok is manipulative, addictive, and harmful to privacy

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Re: TikTok is manipulative, addictive, and harmful to privacy

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Two wrongs don’t make a right.

But this is one wrong done by many different groups, not two wrongs.

If I do a wrong and another person does the same wrong, it’s still two wrongs. We shouldn’t be defending TikTok because some other company did the same thing. This should be obvious to anyone.

Re: TikTok is manipulative, addictive, and harmful to privacy

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I'm neither meant to mark anyone as traitor nor I like how Facebook affected society. At the same time I totally for any limitation or sanctions against media companies controlled by totalitarian or authoritarian states. Allowing literal "enemy" propoganda machines to run freely while they banned everything in their own countries is madness. Disclaimer: I'm not US or EU citizen. I just seen how my home country change…

A Western democracy invented nuclear fire, is the only country to have ever burned anyone in nuclear fire, and is currently threatening the two largest nuclear powers on the basis of their border disputes.

Where has any US official threatened Russia or China with nuclear attack?

Re: TikTok is manipulative, addictive, and harmful to privacy

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Facebook, IG, Snapchat and other old social apps already had their fair share of dirt thrown at them. TikTok didn’t, and lots of people think that they are just a cool app for teenagers to record their dancing. So it’s more about telling people who already know that alcohol is bad, that White Claw is also bad.

> TikTok didn’t, and lots of people think that they are just a cool app for teenagers to record their dancing. TikTok was literally attacked by US Presidents of opposing parties in two subsequent terms, and has been credibly threatened with total bans. So it's more like telling people China bad.

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Re: TikTok is manipulative, addictive, and harmful to privacy

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As far as I can tell, TikTok scares like these are 30% standard social media moral panic, 70% jingoism. Everyone knows that they are paying for TikTok with their data and a few hundred million people (myself included) are okay with that calculus and making a rational, informed decision to continue using the product.

25% of their user base are kids in the age range of 10-19 world wide and that goes up to 32% is you look at the US. Do you really think most of them are making rational decisions about their data? Take a look at studies on brain development and rational thinking. Combine that with literacy rates and data privacy understanding... the overwhelming majority of their users are not making rational or informed decisions.

Re: TikTok is manipulative, addictive, and harmful to privacy

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They do seem to have a policy of asymmetric warfare, for example turning a blind eye to the export of fentanyl. It's not exactly far fetched. See the book "Unrestricted Warfare" by 2 PLA colonels. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare

I doubt they merely turn a blind eye. China's mass production and export of fentanyl strikes me as a literal modern Opium War.

Yeah I was just pointing this out the other day that it was not unlike a reverse Opium war to my friends.

Re: TikTok is manipulative, addictive, and harmful to privacy

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Typical response from a sketchy party: "Their document is full of misinformation!" without actually naming any.

Maybe try presenting actual facts instead of tabling predisposed statements then proceeding to attack anyone who point out how awfully biased they were?

"Predisposed statements" isn't even a meaningful term in English.

It's an opinion. It's supposed to be biased.

Re: TikTok is manipulative, addictive, and harmful to privacy

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Facebook, IG, Snapchat and other old social apps already had their fair share of dirt thrown at them. TikTok didn’t, and lots of people think that they are just a cool app for teenagers to record their dancing. So it’s more about telling people who already know that alcohol is bad, that White Claw is also bad.

> TikTok didn’t, and lots of people think that they are just a cool app for teenagers to record their dancing. TikTok was literally attacked by US Presidents of opposing parties in two subsequent terms, and has been credibly threatened with total bans. So it's more like telling people China bad.

Not really, it's more like banning a foreign enemy's telecommunications hardware from our nation's telecom infrastructure.

Re: TikTok is manipulative, addictive, and harmful to privacy

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Well China, as in the Chinese government, is bad. So I'm fine with that message.

Then no need to conceal it.

I think the regular Chinese folks are great, however the CCP is a very bad organization that is orthogonal to your average Chinese person on the street. They are easily distinguished by anyone who is being logical on the matter, rather than seemingly not being able to comprehend they are not one and the same.

Re: TikTok is manipulative, addictive, and harmful to privacy

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> TikTok is seriously affecting peoples quality of life en-masse in a way that social media has never achieved before. What evidence do you have that its effect is worse than other platforms? Perhaps its scale is worse, but is the actual effect on the individual that much worse than it is with Instagram?

I mean obviously TikTok keeps their data close so we only have anecdotes. But anecdotally for myself and anyone I know who has used TikTok, the app is just so much more addicting than any other social media has been before. I'm not a social media newcomer, I have used social media nearly all my life. I have used instagram in the past.But never before have I felt the same addiction/compulsion that exists with TikTok.…

If you dig around you can find lots of articles on the addictiveness and proposed theories as to why. This is a pretty good article that cites numerous other articles. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2021.6416...
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