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Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by myko » Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 1:22 PM UTC

typeofhuman wrote: post #417

dmix wrote: post #257

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Hunter turned out to be mostly a non-story [1] in practice but the FBI silencing his laptop story makes every partisan person in the country immediately think there's something they are trying to hide. Especially when it comes out they already had access to the laptop data before the suppression of the information, so they knew it was real. I don't blame them for thinking it's a big deal. They Streisand'd it into the…

> but he wasn't politically involved like other politicians children and there wasn't much tangible beyond that He was a board member of a Ukrainian oil company receiving tons of money having 0-energy related business experience. Then there's the firing of the prosecutor looking into the corruption of Burisma at the behest of Joe Biden ("son of bitch, he got fired"). Now we're sending billions of dollars over there w…

> FBI actively peddled misinformation wrongly calling it Russian-propoganda and/or censoring/suppressing it.

No, they weren't wrong. This was a Russian propaganda op to amplify a non-story.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by ethanbond » Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 1:22 PM UTC

classified wrote: post #318

parkingrift wrote: post #314

So let me get this straight. Facebook has absolute control to limit the spread of a story or news on their platform. Facebook has absolute control to outright block specific content based on an algorithm they control. Facebook can and will editorialize content posted on their platform. Facebook has absolute control over the content that users see. Can someone, anyone, please explain to me why Facebook is not a publis…

More like judge, jury, and executioner.

Hyperbole gets us nowhere

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by itronitron » Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 1:23 PM UTC

beeboop wrote: post #437

itronitron wrote: post #392

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What did you find interesting about that?

That Mark apparently thinks it's his prerogative to control media narratives until he comes to his own conclusion on what the "truth" is

well, that is how they make their money

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by myko » Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 1:24 PM UTC

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I would not have voted in the election if I knew about the laptop. True story about something that is true.

The laptop was all over the news at the time. But the news said it was Russian misinformation.

> But the news said it was Russian misinformation.

And pushing the story was Russian misinformation, peddled via Rudy. Weird how trump world folks keep pushing Russian ops.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by qwertyuiop_ » Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 1:25 PM UTC

spydum wrote: post #403

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How about if instead, we nationalize Facebook. The public square should not be owned by a private corporation. If that's not possible, yes: Facebook should be destroyed.

Government controlled media and censorship, what could possibly go wrong?

Cuba

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by danbruc » Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 1:26 PM UTC

arinlen wrote: post #419

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[...] support current Russian and its invasion to Ukraine. I picked a random video with Chomsky [1] about the topic and he calls the invasion a criminal act against international law in his first sentence. [1] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=68Rh1tKx98k

> I picked a random video with Chomsky [1] about the topic and he calls the invasion a criminal act against international law in his first sentence. Noam Chomsky described Russia's invasion of Ukraine as "criminal", by after the face-saving copout there's always a "but". In some interviews, Chomsky states in no uncertain terms that he believes that everyone should just hand over Russia what the regime wants as a form…

None of your points expresses support. It is one option, if you are attacked, you just surrender and probably save a lot of lives. At least immediately, there can of course be other bad things happening down the road. I do not think that I would consider this the best option most of the time, but it is a valid option and maybe even a good one if you value lives over everything else or if the situation is extremely in favor of the aggressor. But even then does suggesting to surrender not imply your support for the initial aggression.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by secondcoming » Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 1:27 PM UTC

desindol wrote: post #276

secondcoming wrote: post #273

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Whenever someone or something is labelled as being under the influence of Russia, I zone out.

Because there aren’t enough examples of it in recent history or just to be edgy?

Because if they were all true the West no longer exists. The USSR is back and reaches across all of Europe and the Atlantic.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by Grustaf » Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 1:27 PM UTC

arinlen wrote: post #419

danbruc wrote: post #243

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[...] support current Russian and its invasion to Ukraine. I picked a random video with Chomsky [1] about the topic and he calls the invasion a criminal act against international law in his first sentence. [1] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=68Rh1tKx98k

> I picked a random video with Chomsky [1] about the topic and he calls the invasion a criminal act against international law in his first sentence. Noam Chomsky described Russia's invasion of Ukraine as "criminal", by after the face-saving copout there's always a "but". In some interviews, Chomsky states in no uncertain terms that he believes that everyone should just hand over Russia what the regime wants as a form…

Ethnic cleansing? Never mind that Russians and Ukrainians have the same ethnicity, what is this supposed to mean?

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by itronitron » Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 1:28 PM UTC

0xy wrote: post #436

itronitron wrote: post #411

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Facebook did not remove any posts on the topic therefore Facebook did not censor the topic.

censor "to suppress or delete as objectionable" [1] You can't just make up definitions of words. Suppression is censorship. [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censor

If I choose to not throw fuel on a fire, I'm not suppressing the fire. Similarly if I choose to not share gossip about something for which I have no first hand knowledge I am not suppressing it. Hence no censorship.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by tyleo » Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 1:29 PM UTC

myko wrote: post #440

hotz wrote: post #251

It's depressing how dismissive people are of the story. Don't let hatred, bias and mainstream media take over your critical thinking abilities. When you open yourself up to news from all sides, you can form a better picture and opinion on what's going on. The biases from law enforcement and the media are clear to anyone with an open mind.

The story is nonsense. Rudy gets a laptop, sits on it, does whatever with it, and then claims it shows malfeasance on the part of Joe Biden (at best it shows Hunter Biden is what everyone already knows–a mild fuckup whose dad loves him). The rightwing smear campaign attempting to frame Biden and exonerate trump by pretending Hunter is worse than Kushner, Ivanka, and the rest of the trump criminal family is ridiculous…

Frankly, I don’t think that is the ridiculous part. I’d bet Hunter _is_ worse.

The ridiculous thing to me is that this didn’t matter in context. Hunter wasn’t running and Hunter isn’t actively working in the white house like the Trump family. Meanwhile Trump engaged in gross nepotism, had a scandal rich administration, and did not agree to a peaceful transfer of power. Ultimately he went on to oversee the most violent transfer of power in American history.

IMO most folks didn’t care about the Hunter story and I still don’t. Not because it isn’t important but because it’s a candle to the sun. I don’t think our leaders _should_ be corrupt but when you put forth two terrible candidates all you can do is vote for the least corrupt of two bad options.