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Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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It's depressing how dismissive people are of the story.

Don't let hatred, bias and mainstream media take over your critical thinking abilities.

When you open yourself up to news from all sides, you can form a better picture and opinion on what's going on.

The biases from law enforcement and the media are clear to anyone with an open mind.

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Rogan kept putting words in his mouth. He kept insinuating that Facebook and the FBI talked specifically about the Hunter Biden laptop story, when Zuckerberg did not say that at all. Zuckerberg said the FBI warned them to be on high alert for propaganda. Facebook's judgment after that conversation was that the Hunter Biden laptop story fit that profile. As for the story itself, I don't know all of the ins or outs, bu…

> I don't know all of the ins or outs, but my understanding is that it doesn't amount to anything, and certainly nothing in comparison to the entanglements of the Trump family. This is a pretty astounding sentence, but I would let it go, except that I see this all the time. It reads like a dismissal of the importance of the story because there is nothing that matches the unique danger of "the Trump family". Is that f…

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> It's scary to think that just 2 to 3 corporations have the power to construct a false reality around us I do believe it's been this way for a while. Noam Chomsky wrote Manufacturing Consent in 1988. (There's a movie out there created in 1992 if you don't want to read the book). Basically the same factors at work then are the same factors at work today -- just escalated with an algorithm. There is an objective reali…

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In the future please think a little more before sharing misleading information and ill formed opinions. It’s exhausting to deal with.

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This is the great fear of many come to pass - censorship by algorithm. Facebook didn't outright ban sharing of the Hunter Biden laptop stories like Twitter did, they instead tweaked their algorithm to prevent the story from spreading. We found out about it this time because Zuckerberg owned up to it, but what about next time? For all we know, Facebook, Google and Twitter are doing this right now on a range of other s…

I don't get it. Why did we ever consider the algorithms of private corporations as a fundamental or viable avenue for free speech to begin with? The owners and controllers of private algorithms will always have the ulterior motive(s) of protecting their interests.

The fact that we (the software and information industry worldwide) have conditioned any society to think that algorithmic feeds are a representation of reality is the real problem here, regardless of how many or how few corporations are participating in that.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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The fact that they have this kind of credulous pull with the man who has his fingers on the controls of so much of our information plumbing is even more upsetting than what the right has been charging which is that Zuck is just a big ol lib, especially given some of the bigger screw ups of America's intelligence apparatus. Watching the Earth move beneath the feet of the gatekeepers in the 00s came with a lot of warra…

Didn’t Zuckerberg implicitly support trump at one point? (What he is doing here certainly supports trump.) In the hope trump would ban TikTok. I thought that was why the Biden admin put Facebook in the doghouse.

I was referring to stories like this (there are others as well):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/faceboo...

Facebook paid GOP firm to malign TikTok

The firm, Targeted Victory, pushed local operatives across the country to boost messages calling TikTok a threat to American children. “Dream would be to get stories with headlines like ‘From dances to danger,’ ” one campaign director said.

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Is it possible to be an unabashed openly conservative / Republican in a company like Facebook or Twitter or Google? One gets the impression that it's a club for one kind of animal only.

> “We have a lot of conservative-leaning folks in the company as well, and to be honest, they don’t feel safe to express their opinions at the company,” Dorsey said. “They do feel silenced by just the general swirl of what they perceive to be the broader percentage of leanings within the company, and I don’t think that’s fair or right.” https://www.vox.com/2018/9/14/17857622/twitter-liberal-emplo...

I've met Jack a couple of times, which is a damned-sight short of actually knowing him in any substantial way, but as SV tech billionaires go he seemed both well-intentioned and rather down to Earth.

If I've had any gripe with Twitter's high-profile/political content moderation policiy over the last decade it's that special privileges afforded to important officials should be attached to their official Twitter accounts. `@POTUS` or `@WhiteHouse` or whatever having "special" standards is at least an arguable point. Extending any special treatment to the private accounts (that, not coincidentally, those folks get to keep, or at least hope to keep, after leaving office) is pretty dubious.

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> I don't know all of the ins or outs, but my understanding is that it doesn't amount to anything, and certainly nothing in comparison to the entanglements of the Trump family. This is a pretty astounding sentence, but I would let it go, except that I see this all the time. It reads like a dismissal of the importance of the story because there is nothing that matches the unique danger of "the Trump family". Is that f…

Joe Biden had been in the public eye for 50 years, releasing tax returns, etc. Hunter Biden was not running for office. Perhaps it is possible that this laptop, at the time completely unverified, had some magic smoking gun to bring down a 50 year career, magically showing up in a random place 10 days before the election. But obviously the much, much more likely situation is that it was either fake or insignificant. I…

Hunter turned out to be mostly a non-story [1] in practice but the FBI silencing his laptop story makes every partisan person in the country immediately think there's something they are trying to hide. Especially when it comes out they already had access to the laptop data before the suppression of the information, so they knew it was real.

I don't blame them for thinking it's a big deal. They Streisand'd it into the biggest deal possible.

[1] besides people who find rich kids being fuck-ups damaging to the parent, but he wasn't politically involved like other politicians children and there wasn't much tangible beyond that

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The old norms were censorship too.

Oh please. It's called "content curation". You want zero of that? There is always 8chan. If you enjoy seeing things that make you want to pour Clorox into your eyes.

But then when say the government is lying about something and the curators keep curating out the pertinent details, suddenly you need to go to such a tough place to find the truth

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>Facebook coded a rule that All algorithms are coded rules, the idea of using an algorithm to somehow launder responsibility in tech companies is ridiculous. Before companies had algorithms they had heuristics, nobody would (successfully) deflect blame for the actions of the organization by saying "the heuristic did this!"

What I'm saying is that this is a heuristic, not an algorithm, and that you should blame Facebook, not "the algorithm"

The heuristic/algorithm is Facebook's creation, so they (including possibly you?) are to blame either way. I think GP is pointing out the fact that there being no clear rules or accountability on what gets surfaced on our timelines allows much more subtle and virtually undetectable ways to suppress information than previously. It all can be easily hidden behind the magic/complexity of the all-knowing "algorithm". I do find this to be a novel and very concerning vulnerability in our collective sense-making.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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There's no right answer to: - what you should censor - whether you should censor when running a social media (more like an ad-platform but irrelevant to the point I'm making) service to this scale serving people from every demographic. Anything you do is wrong. If you don't censor, there's misinformation on a platform you control and you will be responsible for further conspiracies and actions/campaigns stemming from…

> and you will be responsible for further

They didn't suborn the behavior, they just acted as a carrier for it. And if they didn't, it would find other outlets.

> in the worst case scenario

The worst case scenario would be someone using your platform to organize a genocide, not conspiracy theorists communicating ideas to each other; and since Facebook apparently didn't feel too embarrassed about allowing the former the latter barely seems worthy of consideration.

> On the other hand, if you do censor, you piss people off anyway.

And you drive them further down the rabbit hole, where true monsters like to gather and feed off their isolation and bitterness.

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