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Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by glogla »

bb88 wrote: post #198
spangry wrote: post #12

This is the great fear of many come to pass - censorship by algorithm. Facebook didn't outright ban sharing of the Hunter Biden laptop stories like Twitter did, they instead tweaked their algorithm to prevent the story from spreading. We found out about it this time because Zuckerberg owned up to it, but what about next time? For all we know, Facebook, Google and Twitter are doing this right now on a range of other s…

> It's scary to think that just 2 to 3 corporations have the power to construct a false reality around us I do believe it's been this way for a while. Noam Chomsky wrote Manufacturing Consent in 1988. (There's a movie out there created in 1992 if you don't want to read the book). Basically the same factors at work then are the same factors at work today -- just escalated with an algorithm. There is an objective reali…

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INTPenis wrote: post #224

Did no one else react to when Mark said they have "files" on people? It was in the context of someone trying to run a facebook page anonymously and he said Facebook will look at their file to determine if they're a bot or not. Meaning the file on the person running the page, that they already have. At least that's how I interpreted it but no one else seems to be talking about this. I mean it's not surprising, it woul…

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Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by rendall »

peter422 wrote: post #179
rendall wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't know all of the ins or outs, but my understanding is that it doesn't amount to anything, and certainly nothing in comparison to the entanglements of the Trump family. This is a pretty astounding sentence, but I would let it go, except that I see this all the time. It reads like a dismissal of the importance of the story because there is nothing that matches the unique danger of "the Trump family". Is that f…

Joe Biden had been in the public eye for 50 years, releasing tax returns, etc. Hunter Biden was not running for office. Perhaps it is possible that this laptop, at the time completely unverified, had some magic smoking gun to bring down a 50 year career, magically showing up in a random place 10 days before the election. But obviously the much, much more likely situation is that it was either fake or insignificant. I…

If the question were Was it reasonable to suppress the laptop story? this would be an excellent answer. The question I asked is:

If you rely, for your mental picture of what is... important and what can be dismissed, on the same institutions that suppress true stories and promote false ones, then how even are you making these choices?

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by tstrimple »

dehrmann wrote: post #76
krapp wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> After the election story turns out to be 100% true Not entirely. The laptop was real, yes, but at the time Trumpists were claiming it had everything from evidence of Biden's conspiracy to steal the election to his child porn stash. This wasn't a story about Presidential Candidate Joe Biden, it was a story about his son that the Trumpists hoped would destroy his candidacy somehow. Given how much deliberate disinform…

> The laptop was real, yes, Weren't only some emails authenticated? The details on how the Washington Post authenticated them weren't enough to make me trust that they knew what they're doing. Email is famously unencrypted in a lot of its transit; could it have been sniffed? Could Biden have been the victim of spyware that captured the emails? It may very well be real, but the story about how it got to the press is b…

More than that, there is evidence of tampering with the data on the drive.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-...

> In their examinations, Green and Williams found evidence that people other than Hunter Biden had accessed the drive and written files to it, both before and after the initial stories in the New York Post and long after the laptop itself had been turned over to the FBI.

> Maxey had alerted The Washington Post to this issue in advance, saying that others had accessed the data to examine its contents and make copies of files. But the lack of what experts call a “clean chain of custody” undermined Green’s and Williams’s ability to determine the authenticity of most of the drive’s contents.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by charcircuit »

INTPenis wrote: post #224

Did no one else react to when Mark said they have "files" on people? It was in the context of someone trying to run a facebook page anonymously and he said Facebook will look at their file to determine if they're a bot or not. Meaning the file on the person running the page, that they already have. At least that's how I interpreted it but no one else seems to be talking about this. I mean it's not surprising, it woul…

>Meaning the file on the person running the page, that they already have.

Every site with accounts stores extra data that is tied to your account. The most common of which would be a password hash. From what I understood of what your talking about is that they store whether you have verified your identity as opposed to them trusting that you are who you say you are.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by picardythird »

cm2187 wrote: post #188
readthenotes1 wrote: post #25

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Among other things, it shows that his father did know about his shady deals (ukraine, china). Also had videos of various illegal activities that you and I would probably be thrown in jail for if the FBI found them on a laptop of ours

I believe the most problematic part isn't that his father knew, but that his father delivered on the son selling access to his father when he was VP, and the son suggesting he is the front man for the family, collecting the money and covering the costs. And with a lot of this money coming from Ukraine, and then the father writing $40 billion checks to ukraine, independently of what you think of the war (I am in favou…

It’s definitely unsavory, but absolutely nothing compared to the conflicts of interest under Trump, ironically even in Ukraine. Remember the withheld US money used to blackmail for political dirt?

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Post by Kbelicius »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #169
WillPostForFood wrote: post #147

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Wikipedia definition of censorship: Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information. This may be done on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient".[2][3][4] Censorship can be conducted by governments,[5] private institutions and other controlling bodies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship What Facebook did fits the definit…

There is a difference between prevention and not amplifying. Facebook did the latter.

There is also a difference between suppression and prevention and nowhere in the definition given is word prevention used. Facebook suppressed dissemination of this story thus, by the definition given, it engaged in censorship. If you want to argue that the definition is wrong, fine. But that is not what you are arguing.

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Post by inphovore »

bb88 wrote: post #198
spangry wrote: post #12

This is the great fear of many come to pass - censorship by algorithm. Facebook didn't outright ban sharing of the Hunter Biden laptop stories like Twitter did, they instead tweaked their algorithm to prevent the story from spreading. We found out about it this time because Zuckerberg owned up to it, but what about next time? For all we know, Facebook, Google and Twitter are doing this right now on a range of other s…

> It's scary to think that just 2 to 3 corporations have the power to construct a false reality around us I do believe it's been this way for a while. Noam Chomsky wrote Manufacturing Consent in 1988. (There's a movie out there created in 1992 if you don't want to read the book). Basically the same factors at work then are the same factors at work today -- just escalated with an algorithm. There is an objective reali…

> There is an objective reality -- it's just that people are too lazy to go find it.

It is not that Truth is impossible to find, rather that undeceiving the self is difficult.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by tynpeddler »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #157
bengold14 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like.. did you read the article? Gloating about how all of America's labor and corporate leaders came together to save democracy? Such a conspiracy that citizens from opposing camps were so concerned about Trumps unfounded election lies that they opposed them uniformly.

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According to the article, the desired outcome of the election was a free and fair election. Not a particularly terrifying conspiracy.
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