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Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by ohiovr »

absrd wrote: post #63
tr1ll10nb1ll wrote: post #16

There's no right answer to: - what you should censor - whether you should censor when running a social media (more like an ad-platform but irrelevant to the point I'm making) service to this scale serving people from every demographic. Anything you do is wrong. If you don't censor, there's misinformation on a platform you control and you will be responsible for further conspiracies and actions/campaigns stemming from…

It's a responsibility that no one wants

This. Forums live and die on moderation. I've seen a forum self destruct and it isn't pretty. We can't allow black boxes to tell us what is false when you can look out your window to know the thing is lying. And if something gets that big and ugly without enough human moderation or self censorship it will collapse into a firey whirlwind.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by lokar »

mwint wrote: post #66
jemmyw wrote: post #44

So Facebook didn't censor anything? He didn't admit censoring and the story wasn't censored. Nobody had their posts about it taken down and nobody was prevented from discussing it. Facebook just didn't disseminate the story, they prevented their feeds from selecting it and showing it. Isn't that what everyone wants? Except that they do that with all stories and have no algorithms at all? It's not censorship though so…

If your ISP decided to only transmit the string “jemmyw” 10% of the time, and blackhole the other 90% of jemmyw-containing packets, we would call that censorship. Facebook altered an algorithm to transmit a story to fewer people than it otherwise would have. It’s censorship.

If you try to say something to a 3rd person standing next to us and I shout you down, that is censorship.

If I refuse to tell a 3rd person (not present) something you tell me, that is not censorship.

I have no obligation to repeat your nonsense.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by epgui »

mgraczyk wrote: post #47
spangry wrote: post #12

This is the great fear of many come to pass - censorship by algorithm. Facebook didn't outright ban sharing of the Hunter Biden laptop stories like Twitter did, they instead tweaked their algorithm to prevent the story from spreading. We found out about it this time because Zuckerberg owned up to it, but what about next time? For all we know, Facebook, Google and Twitter are doing this right now on a range of other s…

This isn't "censorship by algorithm" though. This was a human being intentionally banning a specific thing. There was no algorithm in the loop. They didn't "tweak their algorithm" anymore than an antivirus tweaks its algorithm to detect a new virus, they specifically censored a specific piece of content.

I suggest reading the articles before writing in the comments:

> Facebook did not completely ban sharing of the article, but instead limited how much its algorithm automatically shared it to other people for a week, while third-party fact-checkers tried to verify the reporting. So while people could post the article and discuss it, it was less likely to spread organically to new users.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by lokar »

baskethead wrote: post #87
acjohnson55 wrote: post #78

Rogan kept putting words in his mouth. He kept insinuating that Facebook and the FBI talked specifically about the Hunter Biden laptop story, when Zuckerberg did not say that at all. Zuckerberg said the FBI warned them to be on high alert for propaganda. Facebook's judgment after that conversation was that the Hunter Biden laptop story fit that profile. As for the story itself, I don't know all of the ins or outs, bu…

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Is this a comment from the presidency of Bush the 1st?

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Post by Consultant32452 »

devwastaken wrote: post #107
Consultant32452 wrote: post #77

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Prove to me the laptop is real.

Here's NYT telling you it's real. They put it in the 27th paragraph of a low circulation article a year after the election.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220826030459/https://www.nytim...

>People familiar with the investigation said prosecutors had examined emails between Mr. Biden, Mr. Archer and others about Burisma and other foreign business activity. Those emails were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop. The email and others in the cache were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation.

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Post by [deleted] »

devwastaken wrote: post #101
systemvoltage wrote: post #58

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After watching Lex Fridman’s interview with Zuckerberg, I kind of like him. I don’t care what the world thinks of him, from what I saw, he seems like a genuine and nice person. I like him. And it makes me question the demonization of him.

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Post by t-writescode »

EarlKing wrote: post #104
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #82

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You can be the nicest person and still leave behind an awful world. Really hard to argue that Zuck and his companies have had a net positive impact on the world.

There is no net positive impact from social networking services, or indeed any other medium powered by advertising where the operators thereof have realized that hatred can be monetized. People have always disagreed with one another and clashed over political views... but only in the last 15 years have people been so polarized, and I think we can directly attribute it to conditioning as a direct result of participati…

Families around the world and across continents have been able to keep in touch due to social networks.

For all the deserved hate, some good has come.

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Post by bengold14 »

emmo wrote: post #93
Consultant32452 wrote: post #77

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Time wrote an article openly gloating about it: https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

Like.. did you read the article? Gloating about how all of America's labor and corporate leaders came together to save democracy? Such a conspiracy that citizens from opposing camps were so concerned about Trumps unfounded election lies that they opposed them uniformly.

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Post by CapricornNoble »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #98
baskethead wrote: post #87

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And the only evidence we have of that is from what a blind computer repairman saw on a laptop that he promptly lost. You can’t make this stuff up, no one would believe it.

There's also his iPhone leak from a few months ago as corroborating evidence: https://news.yahoo.com/secret-responds-graphic-hunter-biden-...

Many of the files posted by 4chan were already found on Biden’s abandoned laptop via an iPhone XS backup, according to the Washington Examiner.

Former Secret Service agent and cyber forensics expert Konstantinos “Gus” Dimitrelos previously told the outlet that the contents of the iPhone are authentic.

“Based on my analysis of the iPhone, I conclude the same results as my analysis of the MacBook Pro Laptop hard drive and iCloud synced data. The person who owns and operates this iPhone XS is Robert Hunter Biden,” Dimitrelos said, according to the outlet.

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