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Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by baskethead »

refurb wrote: post #32

I’m kind of shocked this isn’t a bigger story. - Right before a presidential election a major story breaks about a Presidential candidate - FBI jumps in to say “it’s Russian disinformation” - Story suppressed across the media including online as “disinformation” - After the election story turns out to be 100% true

No. That's not what happened.

The FBI told Facebook "Be on the lookout for an uptick in disinformation campaigns." A few weeks later, the Hunter Biden laptop story broke. It had all the hallmarks of what the FBI was warning about, plus if you remember correctly, there was a lot of propaganda from the Dems and former CIA officials saying it was Russian misinformation.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by remarkEon »

defrost wrote: post #27
spangry wrote: post #12

This is the great fear of many come to pass - censorship by algorithm. Facebook didn't outright ban sharing of the Hunter Biden laptop stories like Twitter did, they instead tweaked their algorithm to prevent the story from spreading. We found out about it this time because Zuckerberg owned up to it, but what about next time? For all we know, Facebook, Google and Twitter are doing this right now on a range of other s…

The flip side is propaganda by algorithm ... The pumping to top view of that story that elicits the greatest reaction and stokes the most base fears at the expense of truth and rationality. We've seen false realities, election fraud, bleach cures, pushed hard by algorithm to the detriment of many.

That’s not a “flip side”. That’s the same thing.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by baskethead »

ohiovr wrote: post #41
darth_avocado wrote: post #18

That’s a very bad take. What he said was: 1. FBI said there may be Russian propaganda coming, be on the lookout 2. They decided to allow posting of Hunter Biden story, but reduce the distribution while independent fact checkers confirm it 3. Then eventually allow the story to be distributed Calling it “censorship at behest of FBI” is very disingenuous and misrepresents the story. I think what they did was very reason…

I would not have voted in the election if I knew about the laptop. True story about something that is true.

The laptop was all over the news at the time. But the news said it was Russian misinformation.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by mc32 »

uptown wrote: post #45
mc32 wrote: post #9

Not censorship to suppress falsehoods (or actual national secrets) but to suppress a true story. How are actions like this not a violation of the first amendment to the US constitution? The Federal Government suppressing speech. Where is the Justice Department's investigation? It seems like egregious overstepping. Remember when Qwest refused the FBI requests to phone data and we all hailed them for sticking to princi…

“How are actions like this not a violation of the first amendment to the US constitution?” There’s still no right to publish statements on Facebook enshrined in the Constitution.

Right but this is the FBI, the government telling FB to censor a story.

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Post by defterGoose »

mc32 wrote: post #9

Not censorship to suppress falsehoods (or actual national secrets) but to suppress a true story. How are actions like this not a violation of the first amendment to the US constitution? The Federal Government suppressing speech. Where is the Justice Department's investigation? It seems like egregious overstepping. Remember when Qwest refused the FBI requests to phone data and we all hailed them for sticking to princi…

Feels a lot like an adult version of the old "stop hitting yourself" trope.

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Post by remarkEon »

hotpotamus wrote: post #39
readthenotes1 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Among other things, it shows that his father did know about his shady deals (ukraine, china). Also had videos of various illegal activities that you and I would probably be thrown in jail for if the FBI found them on a laptop of ours

And you think having a relative with shady deals is disqualifying for public office? And what illegal activities was Hunter up to?

Not necessarily but it’s worth scrutiny, right? Blood is deeper than votes, and if someone who is running for office has a family member with a drug problem - that’s funded by shady deals with a country that’s openly hostile to the country in which that person is running for office - is makes sense to ask questions. The illegal activities are mostly around guns, drugs, hookers, perhaps some bank and tax fraud but I haven’t seen primary sources on the latter.

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Post by loeg »

mc32 wrote: post #54
uptown wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“How are actions like this not a violation of the first amendment to the US constitution?” There’s still no right to publish statements on Facebook enshrined in the Constitution.

Right but this is the FBI, the government telling FB to censor a story.

The FBI warned about general election misinformation. They did not mention or direct FB re: this specific story. That was FB's choice.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by systemvoltage »

cf141q5325 wrote: post #11

Its based on a comment he made on his appearance on the Joe Rogan experience(JRE #1863) a few days ago. Only extracts are on youtube as he moved to spotify. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN3PIGLDscQ https://open.spotify.com/episode/51gxrAActH18RGhKNza598 Also, i have to say its quite amazing to see Mark Zuckerberg on the JRE. Wouldnt have thought that would ever happen.

After watching Lex Fridman’s interview with Zuckerberg, I kind of like him. I don’t care what the world thinks of him, from what I saw, he seems like a genuine and nice person. I like him. And it makes me question the demonization of him.

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Post by sib301 »

mc32 wrote: post #9

Not censorship to suppress falsehoods (or actual national secrets) but to suppress a true story. How are actions like this not a violation of the first amendment to the US constitution? The Federal Government suppressing speech. Where is the Justice Department's investigation? It seems like egregious overstepping. Remember when Qwest refused the FBI requests to phone data and we all hailed them for sticking to princi…

Did you read the article or watch the clip? What you’re describing isn’t at all what happened.

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mc32 wrote: post #9

Not censorship to suppress falsehoods (or actual national secrets) but to suppress a true story. How are actions like this not a violation of the first amendment to the US constitution? The Federal Government suppressing speech. Where is the Justice Department's investigation? It seems like egregious overstepping. Remember when Qwest refused the FBI requests to phone data and we all hailed them for sticking to princi…

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