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Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by yonaguska » Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 1:11 PM UTC

papito wrote: post #359

darepublic wrote: post #258

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But then when say the government is lying about something and the curators keep curating out the pertinent details, suddenly you need to go to such a tough place to find the truth

I would like to hear one example. One . Which "truth" did you find out on 8chan that the government lied about?

Not just 8chan, but rumble, 4chan, substack, etc- anything counter to the accepted covid narratives, which changed several times, you pretty much had to go to alternative sites to even discuss such topics.

And now the truth is finally being accepted, that the covid vaccines are potentially harmful for young people, or that covid doesn't actually cause myocarditis or a myriad of other vaccine side effects.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by kolanos » Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 1:13 PM UTC

picardythird wrote: post #236

cm2187 wrote: post #188

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I believe the most problematic part isn't that his father knew, but that his father delivered on the son selling access to his father when he was VP, and the son suggesting he is the front man for the family, collecting the money and covering the costs. And with a lot of this money coming from Ukraine, and then the father writing $40 billion checks to ukraine, independently of what you think of the war (I am in favou…

It’s definitely unsavory, but absolutely nothing compared to the conflicts of interest under Trump, ironically even in Ukraine. Remember the withheld US money used to blackmail for political dirt?

> It’s definitely unsavory, but absolutely nothing compared to the conflicts of interest under Trump, ironically even in Ukraine. Remember the withheld US money used to blackmail for political dirt?

Trump was asking the Ukrainian President to investigate whether Joe Biden pressured Ukraine to fire their top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, because he was actively investigating Hunter Biden's involvement in Burisma. Here's Joe Biden bragging about getting the prosecutor fired. Ironically in this video Biden openly admits to threatening to withhold aid if the prosecutor isn't fired. [0]

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by somenameforme » Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 1:14 PM UTC

growse wrote: post #364

selfmodruntime wrote: post #349

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section 230 is a wildly misunderstood law with many misconceptions. Contrary to popular belief, it doesn‘t make a clear distinction between platform and publisher.

Indeed. The word 'platform' doesn't appear in the entire section. The only time the word 'publisher' appears is: (1) Treatment of publisher or speaker No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230

And that's the trillion dollar line. The reason for its justification is because as an owner of a digital platform, you can't get sued by Joe for defamation because somebody said something defaming about him on your platform.

Publishers can, and do, get sued for defamation because they're responsible for what they publish. Now let's imagine a hypothetical extreme where OnlineSite ends up censoring any posts related to Joe, except those that defame him. It's quite clear that the site themselves are now actively defaming Joe, but they can use 230 to hide behind that line making them legally immune.

In short, the more censorship a site engages in, the more they are effectively publishing their own views and those they defacto endorse.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by lalaland1125 » Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 1:14 PM UTC

refurb wrote: post #32

I’m kind of shocked this isn’t a bigger story. - Right before a presidential election a major story breaks about a Presidential candidate - FBI jumps in to say “it’s Russian disinformation” - Story suppressed across the media including online as “disinformation” - After the election story turns out to be 100% true

> FBI jumps in to say “it’s Russian disinformation”

This did not happen. As the article details, before the election the FBI gave a general warning and Facebook came to their own conclusion that the laptop looked like Russian disinformation.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by myko » Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 1:16 PM UTC

Consultant32452 wrote: post #77

jeromegv wrote: post #6

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From the article: Zuckerberg told Rogan: "The background here is that the FBI came to us - some folks on our team - and was like 'hey, just so you know, you should be on high alert. We thought there was a lot of Russian propaganda in the 2016 election, we have it on notice that basically there's about to be some kind of dump that's similar to that'." He said the FBI did not warn Facebook about the Biden story in part…

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> the US intelligence community executed a regime change operation against us all by knowingly spreading misinformation

This is how trump got elected in the first place, if not for Comey putting his finger on the scale HRC wins easily.

In this case the story about Hunter's laptop was complete bullshit, and it's good it didn't have a chance to affect the election the way the bullshit about HRC's emails did.

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Post by 0xy » Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 1:16 PM UTC

itronitron wrote: post #411

chjj wrote: post #336

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That's not the definition of censorship. Censorship is the suppression of information by any authority who has the ability to suppress said information. The definition doesn't require a government or any aspect of coercion. If I run an online forum and I start removing posts I don't like, that is censorship. I'm allowed to remove those posts because it's my website, but it's still censorship.

Facebook did not remove any posts on the topic therefore Facebook did not censor the topic.

censor

"to suppress or delete as objectionable" [1]

You can't just make up definitions of words. Suppression is censorship.

[1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censor

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by beeboop » Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 1:18 PM UTC

itronitron wrote: post #392

woojoo666 wrote: post #221

I found interesting how during the podcast, Zuckerberg compared the suppression of the story to due process in the justice system. A snippet from the podcast (with minor edits, starting from 7:25 of this video clip [1]): > Joe Rogan: is there regret for not having it evenly distributed and for throttling the distribution of that story? > [...] > Zuckerberg: yeah yeah I mean it sucks because I mean it turned out after…

What did you find interesting about that?

That Mark apparently thinks it's his prerogative to control media narratives until he comes to his own conclusion on what the "truth" is

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Post by myko » Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 1:18 PM UTC

ericmay wrote: post #410

someguydave wrote: post #406

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We are still waiting on Hillary’s emails to be prosecuted.

Sure prosecute her too. She can sit next to Trump in a jail cell. But the more likely answer is that after relentless grilling at the behest of Republican lawmakers under Trump and actual testimony there probably wasn’t anything there worth pursuing from a legal perspective so no charges were filed.

There's no reason to prosecute her, though. She complied with all relevant requests and was following the steps of Colin Powell, her predecessor, with respect to how she set her email server up. The main difference between her and Powell is she attempted to preserve relevant emails for the government, while Powell recommended deleting them all.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/08/colin-powell...

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Post by heap_perms » Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 1:19 PM UTC

JKCalhoun wrote: post #423

bb88 wrote: post #198

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> It's scary to think that just 2 to 3 corporations have the power to construct a false reality around us I do believe it's been this way for a while. Noam Chomsky wrote Manufacturing Consent in 1988. (There's a movie out there created in 1992 if you don't want to read the book). Basically the same factors at work then are the same factors at work today -- just escalated with an algorithm. There is an objective reali…

Manufacturing Consent on YouTube: https://youtu.be/EuwmWnphqII

I can highly recommend it. I didn't read the book, because it would take too long, but the film is a masterpiece in my opinion.

Can anyone recommend something similar?

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by myko » Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 1:20 PM UTC

hotz wrote: post #251

It's depressing how dismissive people are of the story. Don't let hatred, bias and mainstream media take over your critical thinking abilities. When you open yourself up to news from all sides, you can form a better picture and opinion on what's going on. The biases from law enforcement and the media are clear to anyone with an open mind.

The story is nonsense. Rudy gets a laptop, sits on it, does whatever with it, and then claims it shows malfeasance on the part of Joe Biden (at best it shows Hunter Biden is what everyone already knows–a mild fuckup whose dad loves him).

The rightwing smear campaign attempting to frame Biden and exonerate trump by pretending Hunter is worse than Kushner, Ivanka, and the rest of the trump criminal family is ridiculous.