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Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by desindol »

psyc wrote: post #212
zenkat wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% this. The former President was caught red-handed hiding top secret documents at his freakin' vacation home, with probable intent to commit espionage against the United States , including disclosure of sensitive human intelligence assets ... And Hacker News has it's knickers in a knot because the FBI warned a social media company that the Hunter Biden story might be a Russian psyops campaign? Seriously people?

The story is that the FBI knowing lied to Facebook.

No they didn’t are you all in some kind of reality distortion field? At least read the article.

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Post by andy_ppp »

woojoo666 wrote: post #221

I found interesting how during the podcast, Zuckerberg compared the suppression of the story to due process in the justice system. A snippet from the podcast (with minor edits, starting from 7:25 of this video clip [1]): > Joe Rogan: is there regret for not having it evenly distributed and for throttling the distribution of that story? > [...] > Zuckerberg: yeah yeah I mean it sucks because I mean it turned out after…

What he’s saying is extremely muddled, I think he’s just ham fisted-ly trying to say “the truth got out there eventually” rather than “our process was as good as a criminal trial and whatever the FBI says constitutes absolute truth until it’s disproven”. I’m really not sure what Facebook should do in this situation, it’s really tricky for them.

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Post by lodovic »

albertopv wrote: post #192
pdonis wrote: post #180

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> The former President was caught red-handed hiding top secret documents at his freakin' vacation home No, he did not "hide" the documents. As a letter quoted in a recent article in Politico [1] shows, the documents were removed from the White House when the administrations changed on Jan. 20, 2021. Which means whoever was responsible for checking documents that were removed from the White House by the outgoing Presi…

2 billions to Jared Kushner evidence /sarcasm. Btw, I don't recall any other US president having classified and top secrets docs at home after leaving WH. It's now a NATO security issue, allies should be informed.

Every US president has done this. It's called "presidential archives" for the purpose of writing memoires.

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Post by ericmay »

angrycontrarian wrote: post #205
saberience wrote: post #178

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So the FBI has Hunter Biden's laptop and emails? And what? What is the crime exactly? I also have a laptop with emails on it. What is the proposed crime of Hunter Biden and if the FBI has evidence of a crime, why wasn't he charged?

> What is the crime exactly? Based on what has leaked to the public so far, I believe some combination of drug possession, prostitution, money laundering, corruption, and abuse of an elected office for personal profit. > if the FBI has evidence of a crime, why wasn't he charged? That's what a lot of people would like to know.

It takes time. It’s similar to people wondering why Matt Gaetz hasn’t been charged with sex trafficking yet, or Lauren Boebart with numerous violations of election rules.

And let’s not forget Trump and various others for Jan 6th, let alone what we’re seeing unfold now with these documents he took. Federal criminal investigations like this take a bit of time.

And no, this isn’t whataboutism. Anyone who breaks the law, particularly those who are “in charge” need to be held accountable. This includes Hunter Biden if he broke a law, but it also includes Trump and others.

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Post by fareesh »

IntelMiner wrote: post #262
fareesh wrote: post #238

Is it possible to be an unabashed openly conservative / Republican in a company like Facebook or Twitter or Google? One gets the impression that it's a club for one kind of animal only.

I'm curious how, from a logically consistent conservative viewpoint this can be 'fixed' The ideas that spring to mind fly smack in the face of conservative ideology - Private companies are allowed to hire who they wish. In our capitalist world the free market would provide for "conservative alternatives" and it does ("truth social" versus twitter for instance) - Mandating some kind of 'quota' for conservative employe…

I don't think it's a problem that needs fixing. I think of it like this - Twitter labels accounts that are Russian government accounts so that the public is aware of where the information they are seeing is coming from. That same benefit in the context of misinformation / selective publishing would go to the public if it was known that companies lean a certain way. For example the public knows that Fox leans right and MSNBC leans left.

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Post by unity1001 »

glogla wrote: post #231
bb88 wrote: post #198

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> It's scary to think that just 2 to 3 corporations have the power to construct a false reality around us I do believe it's been this way for a while. Noam Chomsky wrote Manufacturing Consent in 1988. (There's a movie out there created in 1992 if you don't want to read the book). Basically the same factors at work then are the same factors at work today -- just escalated with an algorithm. There is an objective reali…

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Post by andy_ppp »

oldgradstudent wrote: post #278
woojoo666 wrote: post #221

I found interesting how during the podcast, Zuckerberg compared the suppression of the story to due process in the justice system. A snippet from the podcast (with minor edits, starting from 7:25 of this video clip [1]): > Joe Rogan: is there regret for not having it evenly distributed and for throttling the distribution of that story? > [...] > Zuckerberg: yeah yeah I mean it sucks because I mean it turned out after…

> Zuckerberg compared the suppression of the story to due process in the justice system. In the justice system, you are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Here, uncorroborated claims were enough. Not even a probable cause was required.

Not really, in the justice system you are put on trial on social media first and everyone believes what they want to believe rather than the decision of a court.

You’re stating that fact validation should have the same level of scrutiny as a criminal trial except instantly? How do you stop false claims from being amplified without being cautious immediately? Facts can’t be put on “criminal trial” or got to jail - the metaphor Zuckerberg used is terrible.

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Post by cm2187 »

picardythird wrote: post #236
cm2187 wrote: post #188

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I believe the most problematic part isn't that his father knew, but that his father delivered on the son selling access to his father when he was VP, and the son suggesting he is the front man for the family, collecting the money and covering the costs. And with a lot of this money coming from Ukraine, and then the father writing $40 billion checks to ukraine, independently of what you think of the war (I am in favou…

It’s definitely unsavory, but absolutely nothing compared to the conflicts of interest under Trump, ironically even in Ukraine. Remember the withheld US money used to blackmail for political dirt?

I'm not sure what this has to do with suppressing the laptop story

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Post by mupuff1234 »

thro388 wrote: post #290
fwsgonzo wrote: post #250

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The things that happened and were said by Trump during his presidency was so unfathomably bad that I don't think the US will recover its status abroad for a long time. It doesn't matter who gets to be president next. The fact that a grifting Russia-owned mobster with an equally grifting family got elected to the highest office in (arguably) the world, is still hard to believe to this day.

For other countries Trump was normal US president. His worst thing by far was withdrawal from Iran nuclear deal.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/06/10/americas-image...

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Post by arinlen »

wjnc wrote: post #228
bb88 wrote: post #198

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> It's scary to think that just 2 to 3 corporations have the power to construct a false reality around us I do believe it's been this way for a while. Noam Chomsky wrote Manufacturing Consent in 1988. (There's a movie out there created in 1992 if you don't want to read the book). Basically the same factors at work then are the same factors at work today -- just escalated with an algorithm. There is an objective reali…

Pretty near Chomsky in the realm of ontology are the thoughts that the objective reality isn’t findable by respectively the average person, people in general or at all. I wouldn’t call people lazy for being unable or unwilling to find out the objective reality. What domains offer enough rewards to do that for? A proper quest towards objective reality costs you from weeks to a lifetime. Humans are satisficers, not opt…

> I wouldn’t call people lazy for being unable or unwilling to find out the objective reality.

I'd frame it differently.

Everyone has their personal lives to deal with, as well as their personal interests. Everyone has their priority queue to deal with their daily life. If no one ever watch a specific newspice then that person will be completely oblivious to it, and if they watch it then they have far more important things to do than fact checking something that's not even in their priority queue.

I feel that this problem is actually being presented backwards. People push stories because they want to force upon the public specific points of view over very specific topics. Call it editorialization, call it propaganda. It's the same thing. Failing to see a point of view pushed onto the public is not a problem from the individual's standpoint, nor something that affects people's lives. The only people that are impacted by this are those who stand to benefit from manipulating the public.

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