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Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by hnav »

glogla wrote: post #231
bb88 wrote: post #198

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> It's scary to think that just 2 to 3 corporations have the power to construct a false reality around us I do believe it's been this way for a while. Noam Chomsky wrote Manufacturing Consent in 1988. (There's a movie out there created in 1992 if you don't want to read the book). Basically the same factors at work then are the same factors at work today -- just escalated with an algorithm. There is an objective reali…

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He’s an academic, I don’t think he “supports” like it’s a ball team. Whenever you try to find nuance in such a situation, you’re a POS to those with predetermined views.

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Post by random314 »

glogla wrote: post #231
bb88 wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's scary to think that just 2 to 3 corporations have the power to construct a false reality around us I do believe it's been this way for a while. Noam Chomsky wrote Manufacturing Consent in 1988. (There's a movie out there created in 1992 if you don't want to read the book). Basically the same factors at work then are the same factors at work today -- just escalated with an algorithm. There is an objective reali…

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I am getting tired of all of these citation free accusations of Chomsky. Its boring to dispute, but whatever.

> Noam Chomsky is someone who uncritically supported Soviet Union

Citation needed https://ideapod.com/noam-chomsky-on-leninism/

> and support current Russian and its invasion to Ukraine.

Citation needed https://truthout.org/articles/chomsky-u-s-is-prioritizing-it...

> He supported fucking Khmer Rouge and denied Cambodian genocide.

Citation needed https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-01/brull---the-boring-tr...

Early on, he underestimated the deaths based on data available, which he corrected as the data became available.

> He says Holocaust denial is fine

I know, free speech sucks. Citation needed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faurisson_affair

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Post by danbruc »

glogla wrote: post #231
bb88 wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's scary to think that just 2 to 3 corporations have the power to construct a false reality around us I do believe it's been this way for a while. Noam Chomsky wrote Manufacturing Consent in 1988. (There's a movie out there created in 1992 if you don't want to read the book). Basically the same factors at work then are the same factors at work today -- just escalated with an algorithm. There is an objective reali…

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[...] support current Russian and its invasion to Ukraine.

I picked a random video with Chomsky [1] about the topic and he calls the invasion a criminal act against international law in his first sentence.

[1] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=68Rh1tKx98k

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Post by 9991 »

saberience wrote: post #191
readthenotes1 wrote: post #25

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Among other things, it shows that his father did know about his shady deals (ukraine, china). Also had videos of various illegal activities that you and I would probably be thrown in jail for if the FBI found them on a laptop of ours

Do you believe, honestly, that Hunter Biden did anything even remotely equivalent to Trump, his children, and Jared Kushner?

Do you find you have a lot trouble tracking conversations?

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Post by colordrops »

papito wrote: post #216
colordrops wrote: post #203

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The old norms were censorship too.

Oh please. It's called "content curation". You want zero of that? There is always 8chan. If you enjoy seeing things that make you want to pour Clorox into your eyes.

The television stations and newspapers back in the day absolutely maintained the Overton window and constructed narratives that supported the the ruling class. To call this "content curation" is ignorant at best.

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Post by tr1ll10nb1ll »

10000truths wrote: post #124
tr1ll10nb1ll wrote: post #16

There's no right answer to: - what you should censor - whether you should censor when running a social media (more like an ad-platform but irrelevant to the point I'm making) service to this scale serving people from every demographic. Anything you do is wrong. If you don't censor, there's misinformation on a platform you control and you will be responsible for further conspiracies and actions/campaigns stemming from…

My opinion is that a “social media platform” should stop trying to serve people from every demographic. I believe that: * Facebook was much better when it was an exclusive community of college students * Reddit was much better when it was a small, self-manageable community of nerds * Hacker News is much better than either of those two because it’s still a small community with a specific scope and good moderation

I wasn't old enough for a small Reddit/college exclusive Facebook so I don't feel too strongly about it.

However, I do agree that we don't have a true social platform (not a corp with other objectives).

We can bemoan this all we want but if they weren't doing it, someone else would've been.

Alternatives can be created over and over but as long as those are consumption-driven corporations, they will try extract every single second of our attention possible. That IS their business after-all.

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Post by throwaway4good »

DubiousPusher wrote: post #196

The fact that they have this kind of credulous pull with the man who has his fingers on the controls of so much of our information plumbing is even more upsetting than what the right has been charging which is that Zuck is just a big ol lib, especially given some of the bigger screw ups of America's intelligence apparatus. Watching the Earth move beneath the feet of the gatekeepers in the 00s came with a lot of warra…

Didn’t Zuckerberg implicitly support trump at one point? (What he is doing here certainly supports trump.) In the hope trump would ban TikTok. I thought that was why the Biden admin put Facebook in the doghouse.

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Post by benreesman »

fareesh wrote: post #238

Is it possible to be an unabashed openly conservative / Republican in a company like Facebook or Twitter or Google? One gets the impression that it's a club for one kind of animal only.

At FB I unabashedly made a bunch of obnoxious (to partisans at least, maybe to everyone) criticisms of the fucking stupid Red Team/Blue Team thing. I took grief from colleagues/peers directly (which is clearly in bounds) but if anyone retaliated in terms of my career I never saw a shred of evidence about it. FB had the stated mission of "Making the World More Open and Connected": I posted a bunch of pretty-fucking-non-mainstream shit on my personal account and FB's leadership was always scrupulous about leaving my "personal" Internet presence completely out of it in a way I found very consistent with that mission statement.

In fairness I was a pretty equal-opportunity partisan politics attack dog, maybe it just canceled out.

For a counter-point, Apple seems to have been willing to set their ads business back by years to whack someone over a critically-acclaimed book that had been published for years before the auto da fe was held: https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/12/22432909/apple-petition-h..., so maybe there's some dice involved.

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Post by dmix »

fareesh wrote: post #238

Is it possible to be an unabashed openly conservative / Republican in a company like Facebook or Twitter or Google? One gets the impression that it's a club for one kind of animal only.

> “We have a lot of conservative-leaning folks in the company as well, and to be honest, they don’t feel safe to express their opinions at the company,” Dorsey said. “They do feel silenced by just the general swirl of what they perceive to be the broader percentage of leanings within the company, and I don’t think that’s fair or right.”

https://www.vox.com/2018/9/14/17857622/twitter-liberal-emplo...

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Post by fwsgonzo »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #181
thro388 wrote: post #121

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It is a major story, but not in US. Why do you think states lost respect and credibility worldwide?

Huh? If anything it's a story only in the US. Pretty sure the "lose of respect" mostly occured during Trump's presidency.

The things that happened and were said by Trump during his presidency was so unfathomably bad that I don't think the US will recover its status abroad for a long time. It doesn't matter who gets to be president next. The fact that a grifting Russia-owned mobster with an equally grifting family got elected to the highest office in (arguably) the world, is still hard to believe to this day.
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